Glamour Magic and A Girl who Cried Pearls with Sophie St. Thomas

Sophie St. Thomas

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[00:00:00] Ashley: Hello everybody and welcome to Dine with the Divine. I'm your host Ashley and together we'll be exploring the magical, the mystical, and everything in between. On today's episode we're going to talk about beauty and love and a woman who would be very expensive.

[00:00:22] It's a fun tale. Anyway, so let's go to what we're talking about. I hope you are having a great day. And if not, I hope it gets better soon. Today we have a fantastic guest. We have Sophie St. Thomas. She is a award winning journalist and author based in New York City. And is originally from the U. S.

[00:00:41] Virgin Islands. Her exhaustive list of bylines include Vice, Playboy, GQ, Glamour. Marie Claire, Pride, Cosmopolitan, High Times, Gawker, R. I. P., Harper's Bazaar, and more. Her work focuses on sex, drugs, glamour, and subcultures. In [00:01:00] addition she is Allure's magazine's resident astrologer and a sex columnist for AskMen.

[00:01:06] Sophie is the author of five books, Find Your Higher Self, The Little Book of CBD for Self Care, Sex Witch, Magical Spells for Love, Lust, and Self Protection, Glamour Witch, Conjuring Style, and Grace to Get What You Want, and Weed Witch. So Sophie how are you

[00:01:24] Sophie St. Thomas: today? I'm not bad. I'm not bad. How are you doing?

[00:01:28] I'm

[00:01:28] Ashley: doing okay. I'm doing fine So one thing I always ask people is how did your journey your witchcraft era How did that start for you?

[00:01:38] Sophie St. Thomas: Let's see I, I did grow up around, in the Caribbean things like voodoo aren't, are just part of everyday life.

[00:01:51] Not saying that everyone practices it, but for instance, like the school I went to instead of telling us like, Oh don't play over there, it's dangerous. It was [00:02:00] like, if you cross this red line, the red eyed zombies will get you and kill you. And, and god, I remember I had, I know an adult who, pissed off the wrong woman and she sent him hot foot powder, which is a powder that if you step on, it's supposed to get someone to leave, so the intention of that was to get this person to leave Island, Once I was just a little kid drawing, with chalk outside of my home and my dad saw it and he thought it was, like, like bad voodoo sigils, towards him and so I think, and I was not raised in one particular religion, but I think being in a culture where that kind of stuff was just considered like normal, like really prepped me for it.

[00:02:44] I don't know. It was just, it was really natural. And then I moved to New York in 2010. I, For the first place I lived was the East Village. There is a shop there, the oldest occult shop in New York City called Enchantments, and One of the first things I did [00:03:00] is that I went, and I bought books, and I immediately really connected with tarot, which is probably still, my favorite.

[00:03:08] Method of working, working with these tools, we can talk about tarot, we can talk glamour magic, we can talk sex magic, but, tarot immediately got me, and I will say I am an excellent fucking tarot reader, and one of my first really close best friends, Is Annabelle Gatt, who is Vice's astrologer, and through her, I, I learned a lot about astrology, and I don't know if I have one moment, I feel like I just grew up in an environment where I heard about all these things, and it wasn't like you know, a strange thing that exists in movies, it was like, no, people actually around me practice that, and I know people who are worried about stepping on like hot foot powder, and then, you I just, yeah, when I moved to East Village, one of the first things I did was go into enchantments, and maybe that marks, my official journey, because that was the first time I took the steps to really educate [00:04:00] it on myself more than Bye.

[00:04:01] Thank you. Things like, being a kid and daring our friends like cross the red line to see if the red eyed zombies would get us. Which I tell people that I, my school just told us that and they're like, I can't believe that your school told you that's what would happen to you is that you would get eaten by zombies if you broke through us.

[00:04:18] I was like, yeah, no, that was totally normal. So I guess that's my answer.

[00:04:23] Ashley: Okay, that's a great answer Yeah, a lot of people I think especially in the islands It's very prevalent like a lot of what other people might just say are superstitions or things But no, but it's like real everyday life.

[00:04:37] You okay, you've written five books, so I want to go and ask you about The but I'm gonna ask you probably about all of them, but actually I have one of them right next to me anyway, so a lot of people might hear sex magic and even for me, I don't really completely It's not something that I practice so I don't [00:05:00] completely understand it.

[00:05:01] Is it about, and I might sound very like, because I don't know anything about it, so I apologize if I sound silly is it about doing magical things while engaging in sex, or is it about, self love more? Or what would you describe it, like, as?

[00:05:19] Sophie St. Thomas: tHe thing, sex magic can be about whatever you want.

[00:05:23] The idea is that your sexual energy and particular... And particularly your orgasm, although, I do do a lot of things. I'm also a sex journalist and write and talk about the occult, but I also always think from this kind of like science journals POV. So I'm like, use your orgasm. But then the sex journals kicks in and it's not everyone can have an orgasm, whether you have trauma or the meds you're taking.

[00:05:46] So I don't want to, Really, I don't want to exclude anyone because any kind of buildup of sexual energy can be used. But the idea behind it is just this is an energy, this is a powerful energy. So you can use it to manifest whatever [00:06:00] you want. You can direct it towards casting a spell for money.

[00:06:03] You can direct it towards more self love, which is a really, really beautiful aspect. You can, a lot of people hear sex magic and they think it has to mean. Doing spells to manifest a romantic partner or a sexual partner. But it certainly does not have to do that and and in fact more superstitious witches probably would advise against that because there's a whole, debate about magical ethics like can I, should I use magic to cast a spell to make this person I'm thinking about ask me out or not.

[00:06:39] But so sex magic is it just really simple it's just thinking that. Okay, your sexual energy, your orgasm is a very powerful energy. So you're going to throw it towards a goal, using visualization, using ritual, whether that's my favorite way to use it is actually for money for professional [00:07:00] achievements.

[00:07:00] When I first heard about it, I actually, it's, and I can talk about this forever, it's a shame, a few, sketchy men throughout history, of course, have Made it pretty shady be like, for instance, a lot of people associate sex magic with Alistair Crowley Yeah, and he did it. He loved it.

[00:07:21] That was like the whole thing It's like sex magic sex magic sex magic, but unfortunately he He coupled it, with pretty problematic orgies, where he was like, Oh, like very

[00:07:31] Ashley: creepy and weird, very,

[00:07:33] Sophie St. Thomas: very, very, very creepy. And he really got off on what he saw as like, basically, sex magic with like weirdos, and of course, you can imagine like who he applied that to, people.

[00:07:47] So unfortunately, there's a stain on sex magic. It's a shame that he is the person that a lot of people in the occult world think of when they think of sex magic because [00:08:00] just by itself, just, existing without context, it's just using it. Your sexual energy to put it towards a goal, plain and simple.

[00:08:08] Ashley: Okay, interesting. That makes so much sense though, it's such a powerful time when somebody is building up. Like you were saying, you don't even, it's not even always about orgasm. It's about the build up, it's about the energy that the person may be having, whether it's by themselves or whether it's with somebody else or with other people.

[00:08:29] It's a whole, like... The whole situation is like a lot, yeah,

[00:08:35] Sophie St. Thomas: that's why a lot of people really suggest that the best way to do it is through masturbation through self pleasure, just when you are doing it, not only can be like distracting that sexual partner, but it's if we are going to go back to Crowley, he would, he loved like orgies, he loved, a lot of people working together to manifest sex magic, but not all of us have just a coven of people waiting to have a sex magic [00:09:00] orgy, a lot of people have partners who might Not even believe in this stuff.

[00:09:04] So are you going to practice sex magic while you're having sex with them and are you going to tell them or are you just not going to tell them and which is could debate like the ethics of this forever. But I think that the most in my experience, most effective and just even if you like forget about the, Any morality of it, but just the best way to do it is by yourselves and you can be as like weird as you want you know if you want to like Surround yourself with candles with like different sigils and chant things and put pick you can do whatever you want So it's magic through masturbation is how I always advise people to first explore it if it's something they're interested

[00:09:42] Ashley: in Okay, very interesting.

[00:09:45] I love that. So interesting that you also are sex journalist and like you just, you, I love how you understand the scientific way of the whole sexual situation, like we said, and then you can match it with [00:10:00] the occult. I think that's just, I think it's so important too, because just like you said at the beginning when you said, not everybody can have an orgasm for a list of reasons, people may not even consider that.

[00:10:13] If somebody who's able to have an orgasm easily their whole life and they know how, people may not even consider that about other people, but, and so when they're talking about sex magic, magic, they just be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, when you have an orgasm. But the fact that you know that, I think, helps, inform so many people, oh, wait, there's a many different, it's like modifying a yoga pose.

[00:10:33] It's like, if you can't do downward facing dog the way that you see it in the picture and somebody's giving you 10 modifications, if you need to use a chair, if you need to use a block, it's so nice because you're like, wow, no matter what, I'll be able to do this, you

[00:10:50] Sophie St. Thomas: know? Yeah. Absolutely. I, again, cut me off because I could talk about all of this.

[00:10:54] I think orgasms are great. Don't get me wrong. I love orgasms. But I do think [00:11:00] orgasm centric. Sex is pretty, super, problematic hetero a little bit, just the idea that sex starts when you start fooling around and it ends when, people come, that's not necessarily how everyone fucks, that's not necessarily certainly how, queer people have sex, and I don't think even if you are in the a straight relationship or a relationship where one person has a penis or vagina.

[00:11:23] I don't think that, I think prioritizing the orgasm can make it harder for people to have orgasms, because pressure and stress are not conducive to like relaxing and enjoying that. And just, so much throughout like history, it's been depicted as sex sense when like the person with the penis comes.

[00:11:44] And that I think is a disservice to kind of anyone seeking pleasure.

[00:11:49] Ashley: I am so glad you said that because I, and again, we'll get to other things, but this is very interesting. I think, I love that you're saying [00:12:00] that. I 100 percent agree. I was actually having this conversation the other day. I think, and I think maybe it's, and I don't know, you can tell me what you think too.

[00:12:09] It's number one, it's different types of relationships that people have. Depending on, like you said, if you're queer or you're straight or whatever the situation may be, your goal may be different. But also, I feel like when you get older, you can start to appreciate the fact that it doesn't all have to be about, Having an orgasm or like ejaculation, or whatever your situation is, you can appreciate the whole litany of things that happen up to it, yeah. Whether it's you and your partner or partners, you guys like to do dirty talk and then, it's a whole situation. Maybe you plan a dinner around it or you plan whatever you plan around it. It's so much more fun. And I think when you're young, you're Oh, we just got a bang. Like, like, like, bang, bang, bang, but when you get older, you're Oh, actually we can bang. That's fine. But like all this other stuff is super fun. Like we're [00:13:00] gonna do all this other stuff that makes everybody, not just one person. Again, I'm coming from a mindset of a hetero person, but in that situation, it's not just making the dude.

[00:13:13] I'm just talking about, cis head people, but it's not just the dude comes and then everybody has to go home and that's it. Exactly. It's we can all have fun. And, again, if you're in a queer relationship, I can't speak to that, but it's, just seems like we can all learn from each other and we can all enjoy.

[00:13:29] together. I love that. Yeah. Yeah, we

[00:13:32] Sophie St. Thomas: can. I'm bisexual right now. My partner is a man and it's seemingly, it looks like we're straight, but like before him, my, my partner was a woman. So I think I definitely. Come into these relationships thinking more of like, how can we do as much with our bodies as we can, yeah. How can we, if we want, integrate like things like, kink that, that are not totally orgasm centric and just, I know for me if there's a lot of pressure like to come, [00:14:00] like it's not gonna happen, yeah.

[00:14:01] Ashley: Same. Yeah. . Yeah. You just wanna, because it's supposed to be fun.

[00:14:05] Everyone's supposed to have a good time. Exactly. Yeah. And if you just, and. For some people, it's harder for them to have orgasms than others. So if the whole time you're like, I must have an orgasm, I must have an orgasm, you can't relax. And you're like. All tense and it's weird. Yeah, no. Everybody have fun.

[00:14:21] It's like you're supposed to have a good time. That's the whole point. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, no matter who you are, no matter which parts are, everybody's supposed to have fun. We're all equal. We're all having a good time. That's the whole point. However that looks for you. oh, that was fun. I'm sure we're talking about that.

[00:14:38] Yes, it's the first time we got to talk about sex on this is great, thank you. Oh, fun, of course. Yeah, we gotta do it more often. This, we're gonna go into our dish of the week. Because later on we're gonna talk more about glamour, cause you wrote a book all called Glamour Witch.

[00:14:53] We're gonna talk about some nine foods that can help you with your beauty. That's fun, right? Helping [00:15:00] is fun. Yeah, help your skin and all that good stuff. One thing that I saw in here We got well lemons hot water. A lot of people do like hot water and lemons for They're like digestion in the morning.

[00:15:12] So that's really good. Apparently for your skin, too Nice sweet potatoes. I love a sweet potato. I love sweet potato fries. So good They have a lot of vitamin C and a lot of vitamin A and they work to neutralize cell tissue damaging free radicals Which can brighten up your skin and they're full of biotin which are good for your hair and your nails A lot of people like me take whole vitamins for that.

[00:15:40] I do too. Yeah. Yeah. You have very nice skin by the way. Very pretty

[00:15:45] Sophie St. Thomas: skin. Oh, thank you. Yeah. I put a lot of, yeah. I'm obsessed with my skincare

[00:15:49] Ashley: ritual. Oh. You're doing great. Like, I love your skin. It's fantastic. I don't see one pore anywhere. It's perfect. Aww. So then [00:16:00] we have almonds. Almonds are really rich in vitamin E.

[00:16:03] So if you want to get that good skin, you can get some almonds. We have chia seeds, which are, also fight free radicals. That's nice. Pineapple. Pineapple gives me heartburn, but I still eat it. And I don't care. It helps you It's really good for your digestion, reducing inflammation, removing toxins, apparently, and it's full of collagen.

[00:16:27] Yay! Another thing that's in my vitamins, too. Beets. Eh, I'm not a beet person, but beets are really, really good for you. So if you like beets, keep eating them. They keep your skin firm and youthful. They are full of potassium, magnesium, vitamin A. And then we have figs. Oh, a couple more. Ooh, figs. Oh, figs and dates, which I always mix up, which is which.

[00:16:51] I love dates and figs, though. Figs, they're so good. Figs, they are help cleanse the Digestive tract of mucus, which is [00:17:00] like gross when you hear about it, but it actually it's probably really good for you It also helps your inner glow And they're high in sugar, so you shouldn't eat a ton of them all the time, but they're good.

[00:17:10] And then dates are really high in fiber, so if you're having any problem, poop a dooping, you might want to eat some dates. They're rich in copper, which is really good to help your body absorb iron and form collagen in your red blood cells. And they also make a great sugar alternative in baking and cooking, if you don't want to use Processed sugar.

[00:17:31] And my favorite vegetable ever, which is spinach. I could eat spinach every single day because I just love it so much. It is high in vitamin A and it's loaded with vitamin C also and helps maintain collagen. So that's our dish of the week. Those are some different things that you can eat to help your skin and all that good stuff.

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[00:19:04] We're gonna read about some spells for love, hair magic, and some other stuff from Sophie's book. Because I was reading through the book and I just thought it was so lovely. I really enjoyed a lot of the different spells in here and what you use. And some of the sex ones are really interesting.

[00:19:22] You just have a lot of really interesting spells that are, number one, very simple for anybody to do. A lot of these, again, we talked about modification. You don't need a bunch of expensive stuff to do any of Sophie's spells. They're very easy, and they all, when I was reading through them, they all have the goal of basically like, There's a magical goal.

[00:19:42] But when you read them, you're like, oh, that just sounds nice. like a nice thing to do for myself. Good. Yeah, this is so sweet. I was like, I wish I had some of these spells before okay, so the first spell that I loved was the post breakup [00:20:00] haircut and cord cutting ritual. Woo! Girl, I needed that.

[00:20:03] Never had it, but I should have had it a while ago. You know everybody, I feel like haircuts, or like you cut eight inches of your hair when you break up with somebody, or like, you had a situation ship that broke down, in my case, in that time, but you're just like, you need a, you need a fresh start and the first thing you think is like, I'm gonna cut my hair, or like, I'm gonna get a tattoo.

[00:20:25] This time I was kidding my hair, but I really like, and I love how the first step in this spell you talk about take time to mourn. It's so important, right? Because I feel like a lot of the time, your friends, being the people who really do care about you and love you, they'll be like, oh, it's fine, just, the way to get over them is to get, get under somebody else.

[00:20:48] Which is, which is fine if that's actually what you want to do. But that can come with a lot of weirdness. Yeah, yeah,

[00:20:58] Sophie St. Thomas: I just, I [00:21:00] always imagine being on the other side of it. Like maybe you've had this or listeners have had this when you are the person who is just dating and you go on a date with someone and they just won't shut up about their ex that they just broke up with.

[00:21:13] And you're like, I did not, I don't want to hear about this. Like go get over her and then like call me in two months of, like, If you want to go have some no strings attached, like casual sex, like that's fine. But I, no one wants to date someone who is still like moping and crying over their ex. Just it's, no, no one wants

[00:21:34] Ashley: that. Nobody. I have been on both sides and it's bad either way. Yeah. I've been the crier. And I have been cried to and I'm just sitting there like.

[00:21:44] Okay. I'm really sorry. , it's awkward. You're just like, oh. And yeah, it can be real

[00:21:51] Sophie St. Thomas: awkward, like I'm pe people wanting like sympathy and empathy for like their breakup when you're just like, oh, I thought I was just here to date you 'cause you were emotionally [00:22:00] available.

[00:22:00] My bad . I guess I'll offer some emotional labor like for you, like fuck off, ,

[00:22:07] Ashley: I know I did that one time. I went on a date and it was like. I got the vibe already. I feel like when you're a , spiritually or witchy adjacent person, you get the vibe, right? So I'm like, yeah, I had already been talking to this person.

[00:22:22] And I like felt bad if I didn't go but I was like, I feel like this is gonna be weird. I went and they would not shut up about their ex. I just wanted to drink this chai tea latte and I was just like, that ended in them crying and I'm just like, okay. Okay, and then I gave them a hug out of obligation, and I was like, I want to crawl out of my skin right now.

[00:22:45] I ran away. I was like, okay, ah, and they're like, yeah, so like, this was really fun. I was like, I guess it was. I wanted to die. Yeah. Oh,

[00:22:59] I wanted to.

[00:22:59] Sophie St. Thomas: [00:23:00] It's just, speaking of that spell, I just, I always find it so fascinating. Someone who loves. Like journalism, but also the occult when you can find crossover. And I have long known about like the idea of a cord cutting ritual, which, traditionally involves taking a rope and doing a ritual to make it.

[00:23:18] Represent something and then severing the cord, you can do cord cutting rituals with visualization alone, you can use an actual cord, and writing spells can actually be really hard sometimes because you want people to feel like they're doing magic, like they're, but I also, I hate when I open a book and, this spell will cost me 120.

[00:23:38] Like, no, I'm good. I'll keep the pain. But with cord cutting ritual, how many like movies have we seen that scene where like the woman just dumped him and she's in the mirror like, Oh, I'm gonna cut off all my hair. And and I'm like, that's cord cutting.

[00:23:52] It's, and hair comes, any part of the body, but definitely hair, like very superstitious witches, like they [00:24:00] will some don't even like going to like the salon, or will ask for their hair clippings to be brushed up and given back to them. Same with nails, because they're worried that someone will access that and do magic against that, yeah, I'm glad you called out that sparks. That was really fun for me because I was thinking I had totally cut my hair after a breakup or I got that point in the relationship where I like should be breaking up and I'm like, okay This is a side. I just cut off like eight inches of hair Like

[00:24:35] all of a sudden I have a purple bisexual Bob like

[00:24:38] Ashley: yeah, you're like, all yeah, I think it's about time. Yeah.

[00:24:44] Sophie St. Thomas: I actually had someone call me out on it once being like, I, being like people, girls cut their hair when they're about to break up with someone. And I was like, what? And then, a month later, it's like, Yeah, you're a dick.

[00:24:55] Like, get out of, get out of my

[00:24:57] Ashley: head.[00:25:00]

[00:25:01] It's so true. It's, I'm telling you, it's true. I know so many people who have done that. Like, all of a sudden you see them with a new haircut and you're like, oh, you got rid of them, didn't you? And they're like, yeah. Or they know, like you said, or it's like You know it's coming. Oh, you finally realized they were toxic.

[00:25:19] That's good. Yep.

[00:25:20] Sophie St. Thomas: Yep. And tattoos, too. I have so many tattoos. And yeah, it's very cathartic. Yeah, very cathartic.

[00:25:29] Ashley: Yes. Tattoos and piercings, I find, you just, there's something about it. Because, at that point, you're like, I'm doing this for myself. And maybe I wouldn't have been able to do it, or I wouldn't have thought of it if I was with that person, I feel so good.

[00:25:41] It like, feels like you've conquered something. It does. Yeah. It does. So good. Like I said also about Sophie's spells, they are easy to do. You can do it with things you can, you have in your house if you don't want to go and buy something different. I love that. Then, I thought this was really interesting.

[00:25:59] [00:26:00] You have a, you use the moon to charm your strap on. And I was like, say what

[00:26:11] Sophie? Like I was like

[00:26:16] Just like your book is so for everybody i'm like this is great. Oh good line here. Yes It's so it's like some parts like I was reading the different spells some of them. I'm like damn This is really real. Some of them made me kind of giggle Like, cause I'm a 13 year old boy but

[00:26:32] Sophie St. Thomas: I'm sure, I'm sure I was giggling when I was writing them.

[00:26:35] I am

[00:26:36] Ashley: also a 13 year old boy. I was like, or just 13 year old me. Cause I even, I would also laugh at this. But some of them have like, I would giggle or then I'd be like, damn, this is like, this is deep. Like in the end, when I really thought about it, I was like. Damn, this makes a lot of sense.

[00:26:51] So like, I just like how I went through so many emotions reading, reading different parts of your book. Oh gosh.

[00:26:58] Sophie St. Thomas: I'm so glad to hear

[00:26:59] Ashley: [00:27:00] that. Yeah. It's really good. So this is I'm not going to read you guys the whole thing because I'm not going to read everything, but it's, you take your dildo and you sit with it and you can write it down also.

[00:27:09] So you're thinking about like what you want to come from this. strap on what it is if you want like a connection with it if you want just like Sex like what do you want, but it's gonna help you connect with it. I like that and it's also like It's not just you and you all also might be giggling too.

[00:27:29] 'cause we're talking about diligence drop offs and that is funny. So you can giggle. I'm not gonna stop you. Yeah, definitely. It's funny, but also like that whether you're using it with a partner or using it with yourself, this is

[00:27:41] this is all about like connection. And what can this situation do for you if you guys are having a one night stand or this is just a, situationship or a relationship. Whatever you want it to be, let it just be that. Without the stress, without like with all this laying on you. Just let it be whatever it [00:28:00] is so you can enjoy it.

[00:28:01] No matter what it is. Cause that's what everybody deserves to do. Like we were talking before. Charming your strap on will help you with that. It's very, it's just very cool. I love that. Then we have, you have one in here for getting engaged and it's a mani for marriage. Oh, I have a manicure.

[00:28:19] It just makes you feel better. Actually, I'm going to get one on Saturday and I'm already excited. Yes, it's so fun. Talk about putting magic into your manicure and a lot of the things you talk about are things that making these things, these, like, glamour rituals, or things you do for yourself.

[00:28:38] Making those rituals, and making those things that you can do to help yourself, and then make yourself feel good. Think about, and even think about the most basic level. I know, a lot of people do this, after a long day, you go take your shower, right? Don't you feel so much better after you take this shower?

[00:28:56] And , that's a ritual in your life.

[00:28:58] Sophie St. Thomas: Like, that's another, think about [00:29:00] baptism, how you don't forget like spells, like in religions, like being submerged and put in water is a cleansing ritual. Just globally, so of course, again, that's another, that's a perfect example of the intersection I love of just Like real life, like things we do without even thinking about it, Oh, I'm going to take a shower to like wash the day off and like, actually from, whether it's like, like witches who like want to, you can like, there's this ritual you can do, which like charge water under a full moon and or, or, or Catholic baptism, there, there's like cleansing water involved is, is such like a universal human experience to associate water with that.

[00:29:40] And I think that's, It's

[00:29:41] Ashley: pretty cool. Yeah. And it's, it's so true. It is a human experience cause it, it's all over the world. People have different rituals with water. So it's a very, fire water. Those are big elements that people use a lot for cleansing. So I love that. So the other one I really, really loved [00:30:00] was glamor magic for dating apps because.

[00:30:03] Look, it's rough out here especially on the dating apps I met my fiancé on a dating app, so I love dating apps, but Me too! Oh, cool! Yay! Wait, let me see your ring. Sorry, I know this is not going to be on the podcast.

[00:30:14] Sophie St. Thomas: That's that nanny fur that worked. So pretty!

[00:30:17] Ashley: Thank you. I love it. Oh, that is a beautiful

[00:30:19] Sophie St. Thomas: ring.

[00:30:20] It's it's a ruby.

[00:30:22] Ashley: Yes! I have a colored ring too, so I get very excited. Oh,

[00:30:25] Sophie St. Thomas: that's gorgeous. Yes. Thank you. It's fun to have something different.

[00:30:27] Ashley: Yeah. Yeah. I know. I really enjoy that. Thank you. That's so happy for you. That's wonderful. Thank you. Yeah. So yeah, dating apps are a hot mess express, but there also can be great.

[00:30:37] You can meet a lot of really good people. You can meet a lot of good fuck buddies. You can have a good time on there. But you just gotta I believe, protect your energy and prepare yourself for the bullshit. And also, but also get ready to be your most confident self.

[00:30:55] And that's, a lot of what your spell here talks about. You're taking a really, really good [00:31:00] selfie. You're getting dressed up. And ooh, you even make a sigil in, sigil, sigil I always like to say, sigil in here. And you start, you make a really good, you help yourself make a good dating profile.

[00:31:13] You take a sigil selfie, which I love. You use a lot of color magic too in this, which you have a whole section on color magic, which I enjoy too. You talk about using purple to learn creative, bisexual, or blue for a tranquil relationship, love that. Also you mention here, be a modern witch, don't be afraid to message first, because it is attractive when people do that.

[00:31:33] There are all those rules, there are all those weird, I remember, years ago, remember, I don't know, I'm old. People would talk about that, like, all these books, Men are for Mars and women are for Venus.

[00:31:44] Sophie St. Thomas: Yes, I've read it. I still think about that book. I know it's problematic, but some of that shit I still think about.

[00:31:50] I'm like, it's so true.

[00:31:58] Like, I, I just [00:32:00] thought it's not It's, it's too binary for like 20, 23, what year is it? But when I, when I read that in middle school and I still think about it,

[00:32:07] Ashley: It's so funny. I know, I remember, I think I started reading it when I was a kid. I don't think I finished it, but I remember my mom had it.

[00:32:17] And I also remember reading, when I was like, in my 20s, I don't know why I read this book, but it was like, Steve Harvey wrote a book about like, relationships, and it's Oh

[00:32:27] Sophie St. Thomas: my god, I know what you're talking Was that like, Act Like a Man, Think Like a

[00:32:32] Ashley: Woman? Yes, yes, yes! This didn't age well. It wasn't really that good to begin with, so not even that it didn't age well, it was already bad.

[00:32:42] Okay, this is again It's all based on heterosexual relationships this book But and the first like issue and then he's like you need to date somebody for 90 days before you even think about Sleeping with them or and basically to me the inclination was like or else you're a whore and I'm like, huh?[00:33:00]

[00:33:00] Yeah

[00:33:03] Sophie St. Thomas: Those were the times, right? Like, it just, it was. It

[00:33:08] Ashley: was crazy. They really, they were out here telling you.

[00:33:11] Sophie St. Thomas: No, Gen Z doesn't know how, good they have it. Not like, when it's, sludge chambered. Like, yeah, that's, that was how it was, right?

[00:33:20] Ashley: That's why sometimes people will, say, okay, don't get me wrong, I'm not a big Swifty, but I understand people did slut shame, they do slut shame Taylor Swift,

[00:33:29] Sophie St. Thomas: which is wrong.

[00:33:29] Oh god, I became a Swifty accidentally, I just didn't mean for it to happen. It just it just got me during the pandemic. I used to hate her, like, hate her. And then I like, stoned listened to her album, like, and I was like, fuck.

[00:33:49] Ashley: Oh

[00:33:50] Sophie St. Thomas: my God, like entering my basic bitch era, all the way to

[00:33:54] Ashley: it. I am like, [00:34:00] not to go on a ramp, but this is my issue. It's

[00:34:03] Sophie St. Thomas: your podcast.

[00:34:04] Ashley: Back

[00:34:07] in the day, I used to like Taylor Swift. And then I realized the Taylor Swift, like weaponizes feminism. She only talks about feminism when someone's being mean to her, and it's a woman. She's like, you need to be nice to me because I'm a woman! Okay, but then when other people have issues with feminism, she doesn't say a word.

[00:34:26] So I'm like, Taylor Swift, don't play this game with me. Just say that you don't like when people are being mean to you. I'm fine with that.

[00:34:32] Sophie St. Thomas: Taylor Swift, see, this is what you have to I'm a Scorpio. So I am a little dark and evil. Like Taylor Swift weaponizes everything. And that is part of why I love her.

[00:34:45] Like I have done, I remember in what was it when like the, when Kim dropped that, like recorded the phone call, I was like, I knew it. I was with everyone. And then I like came full circle to being like, Oh no, [00:35:00] you are. Yes. You are all of those things. You are all of those things that I love you for, girl.

[00:35:05] Like... Ha

[00:35:05] Ashley: what, though? You're right. You're so right. I know.

[00:35:19] Sophie St. Thomas: If ever I'm like scared about asking for something professionally, I'm like, would Taylor Swift think about being nice? No.

[00:35:28] Ashley: She doesn't give a fuck. No, she would not. And she gives zero fucks. I feel like Taylor Swift just walks around all day like, I'm rich as fuck.

[00:35:36] Like I don't need to give a shit as anything.

[00:35:39] Sophie St. Thomas: She gives no fucks and she's about to be a billionaire. I was like Yeah, I learned from her evil ways. I'm, I really do. I'm not even gonna lie to you. You know what though?

[00:35:52] Ashley: I feel like I'm learning a lesson from you now because I'm like, you know what?

[00:35:56] I need to be that confident in my life. You're right, Sophie. I feel like [00:36:00] she's teaching us something. She is. She is.

[00:36:06] Sophie St. Thomas: She doesn't care. She, yeah. She's

[00:36:09] Ashley: She's oh, Taylor Swift. She's like the right kind of... And also, in every situation she just seems so you know it sounds weird but so excited to be exactly who she is like, she's like I'm a basic bitch and I have basic bitch friends and I love it and now I have this other basic bitch boyfriend and I'm going out to his games and being, I'm like okay girl

[00:36:31] I guess. Live your life. I

[00:36:34] Sophie St. Thomas: don't care. It's crazy. Some of the stuff is crazy. I was reading about how now it's Chiefs fans are like, struggling to get tickets because people are buying tickets to see the Chiefs just to be in the same stadium as Taylor because, I'm swifty, but I do know, like, every single song I'm praising now, because I just accidentally became a swifty during the pandemic.

[00:36:58] I think it happened to a lot[00:37:00]

[00:37:03] Ashley: of people. I think it did. Even when I was... I think it did, and then... Go ahead, I'm sorry.

[00:37:09] Sophie St. Thomas: She's like, are we going to talk about that guy I just dated who did the Nazi swoop? Nope! I'm fucking NFL player now, like... I'm a billionaire. She's, she just doesn't give a fuck. She doesn't care.

[00:37:21] Ashley: When she was dating that guy and everyone was like, Wait, he's a neo nazi.

[00:37:24] She's like, Actually, I'm not dating him anymore. I'm now dating this guy. And we're all like, Oh, so we're not going to talk about how you thought it was okay for a month? I guess not. Okay, cool. It was,

[00:37:35] Sophie St. Thomas: not to get, I don't think, I don't have time to get into that.

[00:37:42] Ashley: I didn't, I don't know too much about it.

[00:37:44] All I heard was like. I

[00:37:45] Sophie St. Thomas: know way too much. That's the problem. If I start talking, I will spend the rest of the podcast talking about it. So you should, we should probably move on. So I know everything.

[00:37:58] Ashley: Oh my [00:38:00] god. Oh, I love how that's just like living rent free in your head. I have things like that too in my life that is just like, why do I know so much about this celebrity? Like right now it's like Kim and Kourtney's fight. I know too much about it. I know. Yeah. It has nothing to do I don't know these people.

[00:38:17] But I'm like, girl, if I was Kourtney, I'd be mad at Kim too because Travis Barker wrote a whole chapter about Kim. And he was like in love with her, and then he, oh, okay, we're not, also not gonna get into that. Because the debate goes deep. I'm mad at Kim, but I'm also mad at Kourtney. It's a lot. Oh gosh oh, and then I think this after this we're gonna, oh, actually no, these last two we have to talk about, because they're so cute.

[00:38:44] Not just cute, like very good. This spell is your gender identity, celebrating your gender identity with Dionysus, which is so great. Dionysus is the god of wine. Dionysus is a good time, and I really love it. And it's all about, again, putting, making a, you make a, [00:39:00] it's something fun, making a playlist, again, having a party with yourself, or with others, if you want to, and just celebrating your gender identity, however you identify.

[00:39:10] Going to the club. I love how you put the last one is now go to a club orgy or dance hall and no Dionysus is partying with you and protecting you. Hallelujah. I love that. So fun and everybody deserves to be celebrated and then Resurrect your drag persona is the last one we're going to talk about because who doesn't want to resurrect their drag persona?

[00:39:34] Who doesn't want a great drag persona? Right before the pandemic, in my town, we didn't know it until like a couple months before the pandemic started. There's like a monthly drag show in my town. Now, I had never been to a drag show, but somebody we went to high school with she does drag.

[00:39:55] And we were like, Oh, you know what? We're going to go see her because we [00:40:00] love her. She's like a super, super sweet person. We went to this drag show. I was like, I get it now. I get why everybody loves drag shows. I didn't know. I'm so sorry, everyone. I had no idea. We had so much fun.

[00:40:16] Sophie St. Thomas: I was like, I apologize.

[00:40:16] They're the best. They really are. Yes, and

[00:40:19] Ashley: those, the drag queens are working. The host came out, and then first I was just like, okay. The host was hilarious, we could not stop laughing, the dancing, the music, it was like, I never really understood it. I don't really watch RuPaul's Drag Race, I've seen like little clips here and there.

[00:40:39] The funny ones they'll put on Instagram, funny. I've never been invested in it just cause I, I don't know, I just never watched it. But once I went to this show, I was like, I get it!

[00:40:52] I was like, you know what, we're gonna do this like every month, and then the pandemic happened. Yeah. But my, one of my good friends had her [00:41:00] bachelor party at a club, and the drag show there was absolutely fantastic. Drag shows are so fun. That's all I wanted to say. And you have a quote from RuPaul in here.

[00:41:09] Drag doesn't change who you are, it actually reveals who you are. I love that. Cause it's just ah, it's so cool. And they're all so talented, everybody who does drag. They make their own costumes, like it's amazing. Ahem. But the spell is really cool because you put on your loudest and proudest playlist.

[00:41:24] We have another playlist with artists who embody your drag dreams. Use a white candle to clear energy and you call upon the elements and then you call upon drag royalty, um, in different, every different element, which I think is so cool. And then you just go wild. You're just yourself and you just have a good time.

[00:41:44] I love that.

[00:41:46] Sophie St. Thomas: Thank you. I think it's I, I very, very Much support like the gender revolution and how many people are coming out as gender fluid or non binary. But with this thought, I wanted people to know that, everyone can play with [00:42:00] drag, though, and gender, even cis people, you don't, I just wanted to remind everyone that, it's okay to play dress up, oftentimes, I feel like I'm, Playing dress up or I'll put on like my high femme, all the like makeup and the long hair and the earrings and And, and there's been other times in my life where I've presented much more mask and it's just, we all have, we all contain multitudes and it's really fun to play with.

[00:42:27] And this book did come out in the, in the pandemic basically. So it's a great, was a great time to explore all these beauty rituals.

[00:42:35] Ashley: Absolutely. Yay, so there's tons of different rituals in the book. So the book is Glamour Witch, Conjuring Style and Grace to Get What You Want. I really, really enjoy it.

[00:42:45] It's really, it's really interesting and I think if you're somebody who, I think it's for everybody because if you're somebody, especially like, I like it because Sometimes I struggle with like my own self love and like that kind of thing and [00:43:00] reading about it I'm looking at the different rituals in here.

[00:43:02] I found them to actually be very helpful. I'd be like, oh wow This is something I could you can relate to anything in this book There's so many different things and it's for literally every single time kind of person under the Sun Doesn't matter who you are. You could relate to something about it And everybody wants to feel good and, feel good in who you are and be able to relate to people in a healthy way, so I really enjoy it.. Okay. nOw we're here and we're at story time. Because we are talking about glamour for tea time, I thought we'd tell a story about somebody who is very glamorous and you'll see why I say that. Today's story is a folktale, and it comes to us from Denmark. Yay! Denmark, the land of the Little Mermaid.

[00:43:43] That's fun. Oh, yeah. Yeah. People always forget the Little Mermaid from, from Denmark. And we love Denmark. Copenhagen and all that good stuff. So this story is called Princess Rosamund. There was this princess, and her name was Princess Rosamund. And she was super, [00:44:00] super pretty, and everybody liked her.

[00:44:01] And every saturday she did a performance for everybody in the town. So she really loved to dance so what would happen was Everybody in the town would come out to, the castle, and she would take off her shoes, and she'd start dancing. So the thing about her was, when she danced, she left gold behind her as she walked.

[00:44:19] So everybody got excited, and they were like, Oh my god, all the gold, this is awesome! Also, when she would cry, cause she was like so happy, she would cry pearls. And when she smiled, roses came all over, they just, fell off her body. Everybody had a good time with this, everybody loved it, and she would do this literally every weekend.

[00:44:39] She started one day to get a little bored. She's getting a little older, and she's like, I don't know how long I can keep doing this performance, I'm getting tired. So she heard a voice one day just say to her, you're too talented for this. So she turns around, and there's this maid.

[00:44:53] She's never seen this made before. But the maid introduces herself and she said, oh, hi, my name's Frida and she's like, oh [00:45:00] my god Hey, how are you? And she starts talking to the maid and the maids like, you know You should go and explore the world like you're so talented with your dancing You have all these pearl tears and gold feet and like all this good stuff, you should go dancing all over the world.

[00:45:15] And she's like, oh, okay. I don't know. I don't know. My parents might miss me and stuff. And Frida's like, I heard there was a kingdom that's not too far away. And there's this dude and his name's King Hermes and he lives there and he's looking for a lady to marry. And she's like, hmm, okay.

[00:45:33] That's interesting. She had heard of Prince Hermes, and he's supposedly, super, super hot. So she's like, okay, maybe I'll go. FRida even had, a little picture of him, and she showed him. She's like, ooh, yeah, he is a hottie. I'm into it. Frida's like, okay, this is what we're gonna do. I'm gonna take you out there because...

[00:45:52] I'm going that way anyway. So if you want to just come with me, it'll be cool. So she's like, okay cool So the next day they get [00:46:00] up she gets up and she gets in the carriage with Frida and she's super excited There was rose petals everywhere because she's smiling a bunch and the rose petals come off her when she smiles So they were talking talking talking talking talking the whole time She's having a great time and then night starts to fall and she's like, oh shit Then there was a big storm that was outside and they stopped the carriage.

[00:46:22] So Princess Rosamond's like, oh my god, what's going on? And then all of a sudden Princess Rosamond here's like And it's Frida. Oh shit. Why is she laughing like that? That's weird so then she looks over and she sees when Frida you was like a Plumper like very rosy, cute looking woman now she's like very frail looking and Very, very old.

[00:46:45] She looks very, haggard, right? And Rothman's confused, because she's like, What? What's going on? Like, where's Frida? And then she realizes that this old haggard woman is Frida. Frida goes outside [00:47:00] and Frida starts controlling the weather. So she's making it rain more. And the guards who are with them, they get struck down by lightning.

[00:47:08] And now it's just her and Frida and she's freaking out. All the guards are dead. Frida's cackling and she's like, Oh! You think you're the only magician here? You think you're the only witch? And Rosamund's like, I didn't say that! And Frido's like, but still! You think you're the only witch? I can do witchy shit too!

[00:47:25] And Rosamund's like, okay. Frido was a mean witch though. Rosamund, now, yeah, she was not very nice. Rosamund! She was so mad at herself because she didn't figure out what Frida's game was. She's like, oh my god, I was so dumb for doing this. Frida then takes Rosamund and she throws her out of the carriage into the rain.

[00:47:43] She kicks her down like a ravine. And while Rosamund is crying during this whole situation, so the pearls are coming out of her eyes, Frida slips on one of the pearls. Then Frida gets so mad that she slipped, that she goes down the ravine and takes [00:48:00] out Rosamund's eyes. She gouges her eyes out because she's like how dare you make me fall with your stupid eyes and your stupid pearl tears.

[00:48:08] So now Rosamund passes out because she was in so much pain from getting her eyes gouged out, right? So she's laying in the ravine now and she wakes up. She doesn't know how long she's been there. She forgot everything for a minute because she's so traumatized and then all of a sudden she realizes she remembers everything So now she's freaked the fuck out.

[00:48:27] She doesn't know what to do and she can't see she's blind now Then she hears a carriage coming by and she starts screaming like oh my god, help me. Help me. Help me So these men they ride up and they're like what the hell's going on here? And she tells them like my name is princess Rosamund I'm from this kingdom.

[00:48:42] It's not that far away. And the men are like shut up and stop lying Because princess Rosamund is actually at Princeton Hermes's kingdom right now and Rosamund is confused. She's like, what do you mean? She's like, no, no. No, she's at the kingdom [00:49:00] So Rosamund has no idea what's going on So the men then realized that when she gets up and she starts walking the gold coins Start falling at her feet and they're like, oh shit.

[00:49:11] She's magical as fuck. So then they take her and throw her in the back of their cart. They Tie her up and she's just crying and they're talking about like, oh, we're about to be rich. We're about to be rich in this bitch and She's tired. She's she can't see she's confused. She's so disoriented. She doesn't know what to do So then, they take her out of the cart, they tie her to the cart, and they just make her walk.

[00:49:38] And the guy behind her is collecting all the gold coins. So then they, they walk, she walks and walks and walks so far that she just passes out at one point. Like, she just, and once she passes out, the guys think she's dead. So they throw her to the side of the road again. Ugh, God. So now she's like, passed out, she's exhausted.

[00:49:58] She's having nightmares, she's in [00:50:00] and out of consciousness, she doesn't know what's going on. Then she hears like, whistling, which she was scared of, she didn't know what to do, but she just, but then she passed out again. Then she woke up. Again, she, she can't see at this point, but she touches like, underneath her and she feels something soft.

[00:50:18] And she's like, what's going on? And then she hears like, whispering in the background, and she hears like, a woman, and the woman's like, Oh my god, who's this girl? She's crazy. She doesn't have any eyes. What's going on here? And she's like, Burke. The woman is saying, Burke, who is this? And Burke is like, I don't know who that is, but I found this girl on the side of the road and she's barely breathing.

[00:50:41] I can't just let her lay there. And the woman's like, Burke, I swear to god. The lady was like, fine, she can stay. But she can only stay for a little bit and we gotta figure out who she is. Then the woman also says I can tell that her, even though her clothes are all ripped up, she must come from a good family, because she has nice clothes.

[00:50:59] Like, but, I don't [00:51:00] know who she is. The woman's name now is Marie, so Marie is like, okay, let's get her cleaned up and, and see if we can feed her and stuff, and if she's good enough, like, she gets work, we'll take her to the palace and she can work there. So Princess Rosamund hears all this and oh, and then Berk says to Marie, No, we can't take her to the palace because Princess Rosamund is at the palace.

[00:51:23] You'll understand what I'm talking about. Yeah, Princess Rosamund's at the palace, and she's a bitch. Like, I heard she's a nasty woman. I heard that she beats her maids. We can't take this girl there. And Marie is like, rich people do what they like, and we can't help that. And I'm like, Marie, calm down.

[00:51:40] So now, Rosamund hears all this, and all of a sudden she wakes up. And she's like, what the hell? Hello? What's going on? And also, Rosamund realizes that Frida... Went to the palace and did some type of like magic to change her appearance to look like Rosamond. [00:52:00] So She's realizing this but she can't she's afraid to tell anybody cuz she's a find that Frida She's afraid that Frida's gonna find her and kill her for real.

[00:52:09] So Marie and Burke, they run and they see, and they're like, Oh, are you okay? And Rosamund won't really talk, but she's just like, stirring, and she's just scared, cause she can't see. She still doesn't really know what's going on. They asked her who she was. She wouldn't say a word. She won't tell them. And, cause she was so afraid that Frida was gonna find her.

[00:52:27] She's so traumatized. Time goes on they start making sure Rosamund can eat. Rosamund starts doing stuff around the house To try to help but Marie just always seems like Rosamund's in the way. She's irritated by her. So Burke one day So they're like a farm couple Marie and Burke. So Burke one day was like he goes to the market He comes home and he's like hey, I found this woman in town and she actually trades eyes Like she has eyes just hanging out in her bed.

[00:52:56] Yeah. Okay. That's

[00:52:58] Sophie St. Thomas: convenient. I know. [00:53:00]

[00:53:01] Ashley: I was like, wow. So he's like, I bought some eyes and let me see if they fit. So she puts these eyes in Rosamund's face, which hurts her a lot, but she does it. And then after Rosamund got these eyes in, she realized the eyes were small for her head, but whatever, it's fine.

[00:53:19] She also had, no peripheral vision. She could only see straight ahead. And she was so happy that she started crying, but she just had regular tears, not pearl tears anymore, because they weren't her eyes. So then she was, like, also a little mad, though, because she's like, Man, I miss my own eyes. Then, all of a sudden, she sees a mouse in the house, scurrying across the floor.

[00:53:39] And she goes right to the hole of the mouse, and she's just staring at the hole. And Marie and Burke are like, What is she doing? And she's just staring at the hole of the mouse. And every time she heard the mouse stir, she would move and try to find the mouse. And she stayed there for hours staring at this hole.

[00:53:54] And then Burke realized... Damn, I think I got some cat eyes. That's crazy. So he [00:54:00] went back to the And the lady's like, oh damn, that's crazy, sorry. She's like, I guess I filed them under the wrong eye selection? I don't know. Burke went back, and he came home with different eyes, and he said, Damn, that lady really tried to, tried to hoodwink me.

[00:54:19] So he's got these beautiful blue eyes this time. So once again, they had to now rip these eyes out of her head again. Poor Rosamund and her head is pounding. And they put in the blue eyes. All of a sudden Rosamund was like, okay, and she realizes like, oh shit these eyes actually fit. This is good. Okay, and she looks and she starts crying and what happens?

[00:54:40] She starts crying pearls. They were her eyes. Yes, so that lady who collects eyes. Oh, another thing is the lady told Burke, Oh, I found them in a ravine. So she's like, Oh shit, these are actually my eyes. And she found my eyes the day that they were plucked out. So she was so excited. So [00:55:00] because Rosamund had like, terrible PTSD.

[00:55:02] She couldn't do certain things. She still wouldn't speak. Like she was so scared. So she was careful not to walk barefoot because she didn't want them to realize about the gold coming out of her feet. And she never, she never smiled because she was terrified that they would be like, what the fuck is going on?

[00:55:19] And again, she didn't want Frieda to find her. One day Marie was like, Okay, let's get in. I want to take you somewhere. I have a kind of, we're going to go on a trip. And Rosamund's like, Okay, let's go on this trip. I don't know where we're going. So she gets in there, and she's a little nervous because she's only been around the farm for months now.

[00:55:37] And she, but she's willing to take the trip because Marie's been so nice to her and so has Burke. She's like, I'll do whatever they want. So they start going. They start going, and they get near the city. City she doesn't know what city it is. It's not her city and there's a palace. So now Marie Now Rosamund is nervous because she's like what the hell is going on Where are we going and then she sees all these people and now she's been around this [00:56:00] many people plus she has all this trauma From before of all these people trying to hurt her.

[00:56:04] So she's so freaked out right now. She realizes that That it's Prince Hermes kingdom. She sees his picture and she's like, oh my god, Frida's here. That's all she can think. She's panicked. She's panicked. She's asking Marie and Berk to take her home. She's begging them. Please, please, please don't bring me here.

[00:56:24] Like I can't be here. Marie was like you have to stay. We're gonna take you to the palace. You're gonna get a job there. And Berk It's like felt really bad because Berk always felt bad for her, but Marie didn't care. I think she cared a little bit, but just not as much. Marie is like, you have to stay here.

[00:56:40] And she's crawling on Marie, begging her to take her home. Marie said no. And she ran and she left. So now the head maids, they look at Rosamund, and they're like, okay, we're gonna train you to be a maid. Rosamund is scared. She's like, the first thing you're gonna have to do is bring some coffee and go to the royal...

[00:56:58] Quarters or whatever the bedroom [00:57:00] and she's like, okay, so she gets the coffee She knows she has to do this or else. She's gonna get whipped or something. So she gets the coffee She's walking to the real quarters. She's so scared and she even says to herself basically man I used to be so confident and look at me now like I'm scared shitless.

[00:57:16] I can't believe like this is my life now It's not her fault so she went to the room of the the royal couple and she sees Prince Hermes and And then she looks over and she sees Frida, but Frito looks exactly like her, so she drops her shit. Okay. Yeah. She's like, oh shit. Like so Rosamond drops all her stuff.

[00:57:38] They both look at her and then the real rosan, she starts crying and pearls are falling over the all, all over the place. And the prince is looking at both of them like you guys look real alike like I don't know what's going on And the prince looks at the real Rosamund and he's like, why are you crying [00:58:00] pearls?

[00:58:00] And she's like

[00:58:05] So then she smiles like awkwardly and of course rose petals fall over the place because that's what happens when she smiles And then Frida, pretending to be Rosamund, starts cackling, and then turns from looking like Rosamund to looking like an old woman. And the prince is like, what? And then Frida's like, I knew you, I would find you, I thought you were dead, I'm gonna kill you.

[00:58:29] So she grabs a sword, because those are just laying around, and she tries to stab Rosamund. And with a quick, with a quickness, Prince Hermes grabs another sword and stabs Frida through her heart. Oh shit, she fell on Rosamund, Rosamund is only further traumatized, but at least she's not dead. Rosamund needs a lot of therapy, I feel so bad for her.

[00:58:55] So now, Prince Hermes was [00:59:00] like, Wow, okay, so you are the real Rosamund. And she's like, yes, I'm the real Rosamund. And he's like, wow, that's crazy because... I married this woman because she looked like, I heard she was Rosamund and I thought that maybe one day she would just be nice because I heard how kind the real Rosamund was, but she was always so mean and she didn't have any of the rose petals or the pearls or the gold.

[00:59:21] I just thought, I was trying to see if she would become better and Rosamund's like, ooh, yeah, sorry, no, it was all crazy. So she tells him the whole story. Meanwhile Rosamund hears Frida and she's like, like she's moaning, she's still a little bit alive. So Rosamund looks at her and she goes, aw, she looks so peaceful.

[00:59:42] And Rosamund's like, fuck that. She takes a sword and she stabs her in the eyes this time. Cause she's like, oh, you wanna mess with people's eyes? No problem. Let's do it. Let's play this game. So she stabs Frida in both eyes, Frida Frida screams and then she [01:00:00] dies. And then Rosamund looks at the prince and she says, I have a lot to be afraid of, but I'm not gonna be afraid anymore.

[01:00:08] And that's the end of that story. I guess they lived happily ever after. I don't know. Maybe not. I think Rosamund found her confidence and that's all we really care about. And she's okay now. Yay! Yay!

[01:00:23] Sophie St. Thomas: That was a good story. Very glamour

[01:00:26] Ashley: a pro pro. Yes! There's glamour magic, there's evil witches, there's good witches, there's everybody.

[01:00:34] There's robbers. It's fine. There's angry farm women. It's a story. We love it. That's our story time for today. I love a folktale. Sometimes we don't get to tell enough folktales on here, so I love a folktale. That brings us to the end of the show. Sophie, I want to thank you once again for being here.

[01:00:53] This was so fun talking about T Swift and Some glamour magic tones. Yeah. [01:01:00] Don't get me started.

[01:01:05] Maybe one day we'll have you on and we'll just have a whole episode about Taylor Swift.

[01:01:12] Sophie St. Thomas: It's embarrassing how much I know. Yeah. My story actually made me think of like Kim K though and plastic surgery. Not just cuz I know I'm like a plastic surgery like I'm obsessed with it and falling like all that Like it's not the same cuz her eyes were taken out without her consent she had her she tried on so many different pairs of eyes eventually got her real eyes back Yes and I know that like Kim recently got her nose redone where she actually had a bump added back to make it look more natural and you if you look at her nose now, you can see a little bump that kind of Looks more like her like Armenian genetics, but if you go back To pictures before she is like the kind of [01:02:00] classic nose job, like, ski slope nose.

[01:02:02] So I was like, I was thinking about that when I was thinking about like eyes in, eyes out, eyes in, eyes out. Now I have my eyes, real eyes back in, and like different circumstances. But I was thinking about like Ritz can being like nose job, nose job, nose job. Okay, I want to look a little more natural now.

[01:02:18] Let me get this bump put back in on my like other nose job. Anyways, tying in the celebrity and the glamour and the story

[01:02:26] Ashley: time. I was just reading about Bella Hadid. Huh. And how she was talking about, first of all, she got a nose job when she was 14. Really young, yeah. Yes! I was like, and then how she was saying she regrets it now because she wished she had at least grown into her.

[01:02:43] Natural news and like, even maybe then she would have changed it, but at least she would have known what it was going to look like when she got older. Yeah.

[01:02:50] Sophie St. Thomas: It's been like, now I know if you go to good plastic surgeons, they'll ask you things like, like about your, your heritage and your [01:03:00] ancestry and you're like Race and and what you want to maintain and what you want to change But I I think for a long time there was just like a one size fits all like nose handed out when you get Nose job.

[01:03:11] I've actually had my nose done. It was after a break So there was like reconstruction involved, but I'm very happy with it. But as a result, yeah I know all about the plastic surgery and and when I saw that Bella got hers done at 14 I was like Jesus Christ, you know That's pretty young. Yeah, not that I feel too bad.

[01:03:32] She's a supermodel like Like all you know, she like post all like the crying selfies on Instagram. I'm like, okay

[01:03:47] Ashley: Look everybody do what you like to do. It's your body. But like I'm like when you're that young you're

[01:03:56] not. You need a minute. You don't.

[01:03:57] Sophie St. Thomas: You don't. And you also wonder, like, not [01:04:00] to get too into it, like, how much pressure. Came from like her parents, like we're 14. She even had the idea to like fix her nose. And I could get into this forever. Have me back to talk about, I know about Taylor Swift's nose job, very subtle, but if you look at the top.

[01:04:16] No one. Yes, you look the thing is like good nose jobs. You really can't tell they're done Or like, billionaire level. It's just like, you know going to the spa but the consensus is yes that Taylor Swift has had a nose job and you can tell because if you look at the bridge of her nose Like this area between her eyes when she first became famous like country era like Taylor Swift She has a pretty wide like bridge of her nose, basically like a wide bridge between her eyes But now you look at it and it's a very thin bridge And so she had a little tweak, you know A lot of celebrities do that just get just get enough that like it's gonna photograph better But not enough that people are [01:05:00] gonna write Articles like before and after.

[01:05:04] But, Google it, Google it, look at the bridge of her nose, like now, and when she first released debut, and yeah, like, message me or something, I'm kidding. I would love to gossip about all the celebrities with you. I'm gonna go Google Courtney and Kim's beef so I can be educated on that. Yeah.

[01:05:23] But, thank you for having me, Ashley. This was like so fun and I really appreciate your time.

[01:05:29] Ashley: Oh yeah, thank you too. This has been great. Everybody, thank you so much for joining us. This was, I, oh, this was so fun. I love, this is why I do this, so I can make new internet people that I can talk to now.

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