The Many Styles of Adobo, Otherworldy Experiences and an Epic Poem with Rochelle Sugawa

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[00:00:00] Ashley: Hi, everybody. Welcome to Dine with the Divine. I'm your host, Ashley, and together we'll be exploring the magical, the mystical, and everything in between. So on today's episode, we're going to chat about different kinds of Adobo. And we'll be chatting about a man who had a very interesting life. So I hope everybody's having a great week and if you're not, I hope it's going to get better soon.

[00:00:29] Today we have a wonderful guest, Rochelle Sagawa. Rochelle is a professional psychic communicator, educator, and creator of the Spirit Found Community and the podcast Genuinely Psychic. Since 2019, she's helped hundreds of folks access clarity and relief through accessing intuitive guidance and the support of spirit.

[00:00:53] She was born and raised on In the kingdom of Hawaii [00:01:00] and currently lives in the Tongva lands in the shadow of the foothills with her three cat companions. How are you doing today, Rochelle?

[00:01:11] Rochelle: I'm well and I'm excited to talk about Adobo and whatever else we're going to talk

[00:01:18] Ashley: about today, Ashley. Awesome. Yes.

[00:01:20] How, okay, let's start at the very beginning. How did you first access your psychic ness?

[00:01:30] Rochelle: That's a great question, and honestly, it, the reason why, I've told, variations. I've given different answers to those questions in the past, and I think the reason why I give a different answer every time is because the more that I think about my childhood and the way that I was raised, the more I realize that I probably have been communicating with the spirit realms, [00:02:00] accessing my psychic abilities for like longer, longer than I know.

[00:02:04] And my background, I grew up, I'm Filipino and I'm Japanese and I recently found out that I'm also Okinawan which is a distinct Ethnicity from Japanese. It's a whole political thing. We don't have to get into that now, but It's fine.

[00:02:19] Ashley: We'll have time later. It's no problem. How much time do you have?

[00:02:26] I'm here for all of it, but whatever you want to share. Yeah.

[00:02:30] Rochelle: Yeah I grew up with, in a predominantly Filipino, specifically Ilocano household. So Ilocano is one of, it's a it's an ethnicity in the Philippines that's predominant in the northern region of the Philippines. And so My, I grew up with a very strong Ilocano identity because my grandparents were there, my mom came from the Philippines, and so we spoke Ilocano and we had [00:03:00] a lot of, I was exposed to a lot of like cultural, spiritual practices living in that household.

[00:03:06] And I think sometime 90s, I can't remember when, but My, my cousins, my auntie and uncle all came from the Philippines to live with us. So it was like very Filipino. Like the only person that wasn't Filipino there was my dad. And a lot of I guess like things that happened while I was growing up in that house when we're all growing up in that house together really shaped my perspective on spirituality and like What it meant to live in relation to the spirit realm, and I think a lot of people that are, like, grew up in immigrant households, we have this okay, there's the pre existing pre colonial spirituality remnants that we have, and then there's the imposed colonial religion, which for me was Catholicism, and then there's the cultural, spiritual[00:04:00] how would I say it?

[00:04:01] I guess like landscape of the place that we're living in. So for me growing up in Hawaii was like a whole another layer on top of that. Because, Hawaii was colonized by the United States probably not even, it hasn't even been 300 years. Yeah. In the late 1800s. So there's always there's always crazy shit happening, yeah. And I lived like at the end of a cul de sac and there's like a forest behind my house so there's just it's like a, it's a, it was a breeding ground for a lot of like spiritual experience, spiritual experimentation, so I guess sorry for the super long.

[00:04:45] Ashley: Laying the foundation. You're good. No, please set the scene

[00:04:52] Rochelle: Yeah, so I think like for me the first time that I [00:05:00] realized that I had some kind of like psychic abilities was actually When my grandpa passed away. And so he had cancer and because my mom's a nurse. Surprise, my Filipino mom was a nurse.

[00:05:16] She

[00:05:18] Ashley: I was laughing cause I'm a nurse and I work with Times of Filipinos. Yeah. You know the words. I love those. Exactly.

[00:05:24] Rochelle: Yes. Yes. Yeah. And I love Filipinos too. And shout out to all the Filipino nurses, especially shout out to all the nurses that survived the pandemic, it's been, yeah.

[00:05:36] Ashley: It's been a ride, but also let me, okay, real quick, a side note about Filipino nurses. The best thing about working with Filipino aunties is that they bring you food all the time, unprovoked. You don't need to ask for it. They'll be like, we were cooking. So we just cooked an extra plate of pancetta and we're bringing it and you're like, no problem.

[00:05:55] Yes.

[00:05:56] Rochelle: And the thing about the thing about us like coming from [00:06:00] big families, when you have the recipe, it's like a recipe for 20 people. So there's always going to be leftovers. It's always there's even like a special word in In a lot of Filipino languages for like the food that you take home from the party.

[00:06:20] Yeah.

[00:06:21] Ashley: It's so funny. I wish like we I'm, so like when I ever go to like, when my dad, we used to go to a lot of like African parties, like my dad's from Ghana. So we used to go to a lot of parties and . The food you're gonna take home is like so serious like you need to bring a plate or if the guest doesn't provide some It's a problem.

[00:06:41] Everyone's confused , at the end of the night we're taking the food home cuz we're all gonna eat it tomorrow for lunch so this is a serious situation and there's always like One uncle or one auntie who starts. Oh my god, who starts before they start serving. Yeah[00:07:00]

[00:07:03] Exactly you walk in you're like, oh, they're unwrapping the food and here's this one woman already got her containers and you're like, ma'am Yeah, what are we doing here I

[00:07:14] Rochelle: know we said elders first, but it's for this meal, not for lunch tomorrow.

[00:07:24] Ashley: Can we serve everyone first? The babies haven't eaten either. Nobody's eaten. I love that. I'm sorry I went off topic. No, it's okay. Back to what you were talking about. I'm so sorry. You were talking about your grandfather. Yes.

[00:07:39] Rochelle: Yeah, so the first time that I had any kind of like spiritual experience that I can remember was after he passed away and he passed away.

[00:07:49] So I was saying my mom's a nurse. So she was taking care of him like in our home. So he transitioned in our house, like in a room, like the room that he. [00:08:00] He and my grandma slept in. They had set it up for hospice. He had the hospital bed and everything like that. I'm sure and a lot of people that work with spirit know that death is a huge portal of spirit energy.

[00:08:12] And for that reason, a lot of People, a lot of cultures, a lot of religions have rituals around death, depending on so for Ilocano specifically, I can't speak to like other Filipino religions outside of like the Catholic stuff that my family did there's a huge emphasis on not I'm like keeping...

[00:08:35] Ashley: That's okay!

[00:08:38] Rochelle: My cat's vigorously licking their bowl and there's like nothing, they're like getting the essence of the

[00:08:45] Ashley: flavor. Sorry, I'm so sorry. That's okay! Yeah.

[00:08:50] Rochelle: I'm glad we can laugh about this. Yes! And Have and this is me interrupting myself something that is so important to me is talk, being able to talk about death, talk about the spirit realm [00:09:00] things that a lot of us are raised to fear because we don't understand it or because of whatever religious indoctrination or just I don't even want to think about that, so it's evil or whatever you want to say it's so important to be able to, yeah. Approach these topics with curiosity. Cause Spirit is funny sometimes. At least, the way that they talk to me, they talk to me in memes sometimes, they talk to me with they're, they like my, my brain association is eww, this SpongeBob episode when he's learning how to drive that's so hard.

[00:09:33] It comes through for me. I'm all, all about yeah, holding on one hand, like how sacred this work can be and like, being serious about it being intentional, but on, on the other side, it's yeah, we can joke around too. And,

[00:09:48] Ashley: Yeah, oh my god, I'm all about it when my spirits also like, I they like Tell me like just oh Ashley, you're really fucking up today.

[00:09:58] And I'm like, oh girl. I know I'm so [00:10:00] sorry I'm gonna try harder. They're like, yeah, this is not a good day for you Like so it's true and what you said to you about it's so funny everything you said especially when it comes to the subject of death we Especially in different cultures it's celebrated different.

[00:10:19] So when you have a lot of that Christian or Catholicism influence, it's very standoffish. It's you go to mass and this person died, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But when you have a lot of these rich cultural contexts to it, there's a lot of different rituals with it. And the way a lot of different I've noticed a lot of different cultures look at death other than they do I would, I'm going to say America, because that's what I know best, but America is very like, standoffish when it comes to death and stuff, but a lot of other cultures are very like, intentional about how we deal with death, and then that can be dependent on the person's status in the community, that can also be [00:11:00] dependent on the person's age, it can be dependent on how the person died, but there are special rituals we do for certain different types of people depending on how, and we also, A lot of cultures have a big emphasis on letting the soul go, like making sure, and I think it's in Judaism, I might be wrong, but I know they open windows when somebody dies to let the soul out, and a lot of different cultures do some spiritual stuff do different things such as that but when we talk, death is part of life, And as, yeah, as much as we all don't want to think about it because we're like, oh, that's depressing.

[00:11:37] Of course, nobody wants to think about it, but it's going to happen to every single one of us. We can't avoid it. So when we have these open discussions about it, it makes it less scary. And it makes it so that when these things do happen, we can grieve in a really healthy way. Instead of just being like we can never talk about it and we have to shut it down because people are going to be sad.

[00:11:57] Yeah, people are gonna be sad, but [00:12:00] it also like for you speaking about your grandfather It opened you up to a different level of understanding about something that now is something that is such a part of your life so like even though yes, it's sad. This is your grandfather. You know have this relationship with him it also Ended up being something that opened you up to something else.

[00:12:19] So it's what do they say? I'm not a science person. I know I'm a nurse, but I'm not a science person. I'm a science person. Me neither. Yeah, but I always think of that thing when they say energy never dies. Or, not never dies, it can never go away, right? It's just always there. And it's that's like the energy almost of death.

[00:12:36] It's Things die, but that energy that person has goes into something else, and then when we die, it goes into something else. So it's death does open all these different portals, and different things, and different understanding, and It also gives, I think, gives way to all these questions. I think, when I think of like Neanderthals, right?

[00:12:55] They probably started thinking about what the fuck happens when these people just stop breathing? [00:13:00] They were probably the first ones who were like, Okay, so this bitch just stopped breathing today, and now what? We're gonna go, what's happening? And then religion started, because they were just like, but, what

[00:13:15] Rochelle: happened?

[00:13:15] We're just trying to explain what's happening

[00:13:17] Ashley: here. Exactly! Yeah. And, and then also like you said, Places where there's been mass death, I think, or mass problems, anywhere that's been colonized pretty much at this point, has that these spirits walking around. And then they have spirits who were walking around before that, because especially in places like Hawaii, where the people there pre colonialism, were already very deeply spiritual and connected to the land, most of them.

[00:13:46] So then you just got a triple whammy of shit just hitting you in the face. No wonder you're here now!

[00:13:53] Rochelle: Yes, it was this cute ish journey, but yeah I do feel like this was [00:14:00] something that I, it was inevitable even though when it happened, I don't know, I don't, it seemed to me like it was random or, totally not on my path, but I, just reflecting on what you've been saying about death, I think for me so the first portal was with my grandpa passing away.

[00:14:24] He visited me, in my dreams and I was like riding bikes with my grandpa through a park and I remember him at the end of the dream just being like, okay, I have to go now. And I remember hugging him and feeling like it felt so real. I woke up, I was crying and it was also like during that process where I I had a little hint of, and now my cat's drinking my water out of my mug, so that's,

[00:14:57] I'm so sorry.[00:15:00]

[00:15:05] They're just like, whatever.

[00:15:07] Ashley: They just want to remind you I know you're doing something else, but we're here, and we're gonna keep doing stuff, so whatever. You think

[00:15:15] Rochelle: this is your house. This is our house, and you're the butler. I'm

[00:15:20] Ashley: sorry.

[00:15:22] Rochelle: Anyway that was the first time, I'm just gonna do this.

[00:15:26] Let me start this over again so we have good audio.

[00:15:29] Ashley: That's fine! Trust me, I, look, this is life, and it's fine, and I love it.

[00:15:37] Rochelle: Okay that was the first time that I kinda got a hint. Now looking back of this like role that I would be taking to help others guide others in their spirituality because like we had to pray the novena and I know that you know the No.

[00:15:53] What the novena is, right? So yes. Yeah. So you pray, for those who don't know, it's a Catholic ritual where you pray for [00:16:00] nine days. You pray the rosary and there's some other prayers that are associated with it as well, depending on the tradition. But it's to help the person that you're praying for pass on.

[00:16:10] And me, as a six year old, I was leaning my family's novena. Yeah. Yeah. I was the youngest person there except for my sister who was like six months old. Okay.

[00:16:27] But, so I, yeah, I had that experience and then we did the thing where you like, I think it's 40 days later, you like pray again, I had to pray again and since then, like whenever my family has done the novena and I'm there in Hawaii, like they'll have me lead it. But okay, we have that experience and then But it wasn't until probably I think it was, like, 2017 or 2018 after I had gone through law school, I took the bar, I became a lawyer.

[00:16:55] When... Okay, cool. Not to

[00:16:57] Ashley: brag. Ah, [00:17:00] girl, brag, please.

[00:17:02] Rochelle: No, the only thing... Honestly, learned a lot of lessons. I actually learned how to, I actually learned how to read tarot while I was in law school. Oh, wow. Yes. Shout out to my friend Jamie. Yeah, we were just, cause we had so much time.

[00:17:20] Ashley: Cause you know, like law school is so easy.

[00:17:23] Rochelle: You can just learn how to talk to the dead and discover yourself through tarot, the esoteric art of tarot. But yeah I think it was, like, in law school I started learning how to read tarot and then My dad had actually, so my mom passed away in 2012. My dad passed away in 2016 while I was in law school.

[00:17:44] And it was really hard for me to process through it. So just saying that's why I think it's really serendipitous that you bring up death as a big portal because it really was for me and my spiritual journey. And it wasn't until I was working my first job when I [00:18:00] had a... Another spirit experience and this time it was like really fucking scary.

[00:18:09] Yeah it's okay, I'm going to set the scene for you again. Hopefully it doesn't take as long as the last time. It's okay. Yeah, setting the scene. I'm living alone in a one bedroom walk up. And I'm like, baby witch, trying auras. Cause I watched a video on YouTube where this guy's anyone can learn how to see their aura.

[00:18:30] And I was like... Even me? Okay. I get kinda good at it. I start to see it around my head. Try to see it around my cats. And, but I never successfully was able to see it around my head. I'm in my bathroom, where I can see my head. I'm looking in the mirror. It's 9 p. m. I'm all alone. And I'm just like, staring at myself in the mirror.

[00:18:55] I literally I feel, it's the easy pickings victim of [00:19:00] any horror movie just like anything can happen. But so I'm staring at my, I'm staring at myself, I'm trying to like change the focus of my eyes, trying to see my aura. And I think Oh, maybe if I move my arm, I'll be able to see my aura, like around my arm better.

[00:19:17] So I'm moving my arm up and down. And I. Move it up, and I just feel this ball of electricity warm energy right next to me. And, I'm just like, okay, maybe I left my hair straightener on, and

[00:19:34] Ashley: that's... Because that makes sense.

[00:19:40] Rochelle: And it wasn't plugged in I don't know, I was just like, okay, that's interesting.

[00:19:46] So my arms up, and I move my arm down again, and that warm ball of energy, it's imagine for those listening, that it's like the size of a standard beach ball, okay? It just feels like a [00:20:00] dense ball of energy. I wasn't sure if I was imagining it, so I put my arm through it again, and that time the vibrations got so strong that the bracelets that I was wearing on my other arm were, like, shaking and vibrating.

[00:20:19] And, yeah, it was at that moment when I... Lost my shit. Yeah, I

[00:20:26] Ashley: can see that. Yeah,

[00:20:30] Rochelle: I was happening. I looked at my cat and she's just sitting there just like What? What's wrong? And I didn't know what to do, like I grabbed all my crystals and my cross and

[00:20:41] Ashley: my

[00:20:42] Rochelle: rosary And I just sat in the middle of my living room and I cried and I was just like This home

[00:20:49] Ashley: is protected!

[00:20:50] You can't do anything

[00:20:52] Rochelle: to me! I called my boyfriend at the time. Even though he lived in Arizona what is he gonna do I just, [00:21:00] I didn't know what to do, and I think for maybe three weeks after that, I slept with all the lights on in my home. And until I could go see somebody to figure out what the heck was going on.

[00:21:13] Ashley: Yeah. Yeah. Oh! That is, yeah, that's a lot. So so that's it's funny. So when I started all my stuff was a while ago, but when I started, I had an experience, not the same as you, but it was equally as frightening. Like I one day woke up. In the middle of the night, and everything, I knew I was, my eyes were open, but I couldn't see anything.

[00:21:44] It was black pitch black, not just it's night time, it's dark I couldn't see shapes I couldn't see anything in my room. And I felt like I was being pushed down onto my bed. And people are like, oh, that's just sleep paralysis. I'm [00:22:00] like no, I don't get sleep paralysis. I've never had this problem before.

[00:22:03] So that was the first time I ever felt anything that I was scared of. Because it was pushing me and I couldn't move and I couldn't talk. I, so I just was like, okay, I guess I'm going to go back to bed.

[00:22:16] Rochelle: I'm just going to resume living life

[00:22:18] Ashley: normally. I was like, okay. So I tried to close my eyes, but it was still pushing me.

[00:22:22] So then I tried to lift up my arms and I couldn't. So then I like was pushing. And finally I pushed one of my arms up. And then I was like, shit shit, shit. So like I went, I got up and ran to the bathroom and I just stayed there for a minute. And then I went out, like I opened my door.

[00:22:43] There was nothing in there. There's nothing physical in my room, but I was just like, Hello? Hello?

[00:22:50] Rochelle: Hello?

[00:22:52] Ashley: Person or whatever. The next morning, I like called my friend who, cause like we used to go to mediumship circles and I like called [00:23:00] her and I was like, yo I have a problem. I don't know what to do.

[00:23:06] This was really early in my practice. I didn't know what the hell I was doing. So it was simply, I was like, I always rely on like holy water. That's my like go to. So I was like. She was like, oh get I forget what she told me to get but whatever she told me to get I think I just forgot About it as soon as I saw my holy water.

[00:23:23] I was like holy water solves all problems. So I'm rushing Grabbing my holy water and just throwing it all over My room and just calling Archangel Michael to please take this thing away And I was the next time I was scared to go to sleep, but I did so I get it Sometimes we have these strange experiences

[00:23:45] Rochelle: Yeah.

[00:23:45] I know, for sure. And I think the fear really pushed me. That's what really pushed me to try to understand, like, how to navigate the spirit realm, how spirit communication works, how to identify when I'm safe and when I'm [00:24:00] not safe, because I learned from the psychic that I went to that, that, what I felt was actually my spirit guide.

[00:24:09] Okay. That I was. Afraid of my own personal spirit guide, which to me was not okay, yeah. There were, like, so many times leading up to that point when I had tried to connect and speak with my parents, with other ancestors, other people, other deceased loved ones, and I never knew if I was doing it correctly, if it was just me imagining things in my head.

[00:24:34] And so I think that really galvanized My yeah my path and trying to understand

[00:24:42] why these things happen, what I can expect, and things like that, and it all just continued to grow and Eventually one of the women that I used to work with, she said, she's you're going to be helping people to navigate like laws of spirit, laws of the [00:25:00] universe rather than immigration law, which to me, I prefer because immigration law is not fair in this country.

[00:25:09] Yeah, that's that's how I got here.

[00:25:12] Ashley: That is awesome. And now you have a whole community that you're helping. So that's awesome! Good, so like you went from not even knowing that was your own spirit guide to now helping other people figure that out. I love that. That's wonderful.

[00:25:29] Okay. So now we know all about you and how we got here. And so now We're gonna talk about our dish of the week. We're gonna go on to our next thing So I know you said that you won a pork adobo contest when you were in college. I love it When you were in college, was that it? When I was in law school. Oh, when you were in law school.

[00:25:54] Okay. Yes. So you were learning tarot and you were cooking amazing food when you were in law school. So you basically [00:26:00] just like... Law school's easy. It's like you were doing all these other things and then you went to law school for fun. You're just that smart. You're like, whatever. It's fine. I'll go to law school on the side while I'm cooking and learning tarot.

[00:26:14] Rochelle: No. Honestly, okay. I, for those that don't... No, I can't tell. I'm joking. Law school is not easy. And I think Me too!

[00:26:22] Ashley: I didn't go to law school, but the people I know, it was really fucking hard. I think

[00:26:28] Rochelle: I think, like, when you're in that mode, at least for me, it just gets into you get into this zone where it's like, Okay, this is my base level of stress.

[00:26:37] It's really high. And I'm just gonna keep adding on other hobbies. I even played, like Women's flag football when I

[00:26:48] Ashley: was in law school. You had to keep yourself busy.

[00:26:52] Rochelle: Yeah, that was my 20s. That was then and it's a different era now.

[00:26:57] Ashley: I know, isn't it wild? I was talking about this at work.

[00:26:59] I [00:27:00] used to, when I was in nursing school, I used to work, I used to work, on Friday night, I'd work from 11 p. m. Till 7 a. m. Then I would come back to work at 3 p. m And work till 7 a. m. Sunday morning Then I would sleep for a couple hours and go back from 3 to 11 because I tried to get a good paycheck in four days because I had to go to school in a week and it was too hard to navigate.

[00:27:23] And I was, I would just do that and I would still go out. I would still go I don't understand. I would still, I would, I'd work a 16 hour shift and I'd go out. I'd be like, people are like, oh, you want to go to this bar? I'd be like, yeah. Or I'd drive to Philadelphia, which is an hour away from where I live, to hang out for two hours.

[00:27:41] I don't know. Now, I can't do that. Cause I am older and I need water and rest. I can't do all that.

[00:27:51] Rochelle: Shade, a comfy blanket.

[00:27:54] Ashley: Yes! If we're gonna day drink, I have to prepare. The day before I need to be well [00:28:00] hydrated, I'm only gonna have two or three drinks and I'm gonna have a good meal with it.

[00:28:05] Because by five or six, we're all going home. I can't do this anymore. We had a boozy brunch, and now I must rest. Oh no,

[00:28:14] Rochelle: no, no boozy brunches,

[00:28:16] Ashley: please. I must get my rest. I can't stay out all day. Oh my god. I love it. But at least I'm hydrated now, so my skin looks a little better. It's better. You do have great skin.

[00:28:29] Oh thank you. I'm trying. I don't have a skin routine or anything I keep begging my sister because she's really good at all that stuff to teach me She's I don't know what you want. I'm like, I don't either teach me where i'm think I need a skin routine That's what tiktok tells me someone help me.

[00:28:42] Rochelle: You'll be too powerful if you have a skin

[00:28:48] Ashley: routine

[00:28:51] Oh my God, now I need a skin routine. Oh my God. So back to Adobo.[00:29:00]

[00:29:04] This is fine. We're going to do this the whole time. It's no problem. I don't really I only know what adobo is as seasoning that I can get in the grocery store, right? So I don't really know too much about it. So I was like, let me see what adobo is, because it must be multiple different things.

[00:29:20] I found this article on Bon Appetit. And so it says, Adobo is derived from the Spanish word ado bar or to marinate and adobo unites the many places that once fell under Spanish rule. But adobo is an example of how separate cultures persist and evolve despite Spanish influence.

[00:29:39] The word adobo speaks to the shared history of Spanish occupation, but tastes adobo from Mexico. Besides. adobo from the Philippines, and you'll instantly witness how traditions have diverged. Okay adobo, the ones we have here are, we have four different types of adobo. The first one we got is Spanish adobo.

[00:29:58] Spanish adobo is [00:30:00] with vinegar and oil, it's a marinade, and it has pimentos oregano, salt, garlic, and black pepper. And this came centuries before refrigeration as it helps preserve proteins. And this happens a lot of the time. The reason in a lot of places where it is warm The foods are spicier is because spices help preserve food so the people figure that out way early on they didn't have refrigerators So they just were like let's just put all this pepper in here and it'll make it Last a couple more days.

[00:30:34] So this happened coastal areas where meat swell quickly, like the south of Spain is very warm. The port city of Cadez, for example, is known for cajon and adobo, which is a dense chunks of dogfish that get marinated in vinegar and spices. Okay, so that's spanish adobo then next we got mexican adobo, which is also different So in mexico [00:31:00] adobo starts with dried chilies like we talked about this in a previous episode like with mole.

[00:31:04] They use a lot of dried chilies in mexico and the chilies are rehydrated and then combined into a thick paste With vinegar or citrus juices and then they can add onions garlic cumin oregano And it is also matched with Meat or seafood most of the time and it can be thinned out to make it a broth for a sauce or it can turn Into a base for a stew and it can be used also as a condiment and in Mexico it's found In the form of canned chipotle peppers in adobo sauce in different brands.

[00:31:39] I'm sure, I'm pretty sure Goya has something like this, when I go down the Goya aisle. I'm gonna look for it next time. You can add a little smoky flavor or heat to it. It's different. Now, we're going over to Puerto Rico. And in Puerto Rico, they have their own adobo too. And that's garlic, some kind of vinegar or citrus oregano, salt, pepper, and olive oil.

[00:31:59] [00:32:00] And then sometimes... They put, they just, they don't do the wet one. Sometimes they just do the spices. So you can find those in the Goya aisle, like it says, launched by Goya in 1966, and it's a very tasty flavor. It's very strong. This is the one that I know the most that I've had before is Puerto Rican adobo.

[00:32:19] It's absolutely delicious. And then last but never least, we have Filipino adobo. So if you didn't know, You should know by now, because I feel like we've talked about the Philippines a couple times on this podcast. The Spaniards showed up in the Philippines in 1521, and they brought all their bullshit, but they also brought some vegetables and stuff.

[00:32:40] The colonizers always brought bullshit, but then they would be like, but here's some of our vegetables, and whatever. So they just didn't want to work. I can't

[00:32:48] Rochelle: make up for it.

[00:32:51] Ashley: We're definitely going to take all your land and try to destroy your culture and your language and maybe mess your people up.

[00:32:57] But here's some new vegetables for [00:33:00] you. Colonizers are fucked up. Anyway, they're the worst. So we have this. In a Filipino adobo, we've got vinegar. We may have some soy sauce, some garlic, some bay leaves, and some black peppercorns. It says the ratio that's dictated by both your family, like, how much your family likes it or how much you like it.

[00:33:22] You can do a chicken, you can do a pork, like Rochelle did and won a super awesome contest. You can make it into a sticky glaze. Ooh, I love a sticky glaze. It makes everything taste better. And that's usually what it says they would put on a on a pork, not so much chicken. And you could add, if you want to get real crazy, you could add squid, you could add eggplant, you could add mushrooms.

[00:33:43] Make sense. If you're in the Philippines, you add squid. It's a island country. And, oh, by the way, before on this podcast, I did not know how many islands were in the Philippines. And now I do. It's 7, 640. Now we know the exact number, everyone. I'm so excited. I'm so excited [00:34:00] for mine. I was like, I know it's over 7, 000, but I cannot remember the number.

[00:34:05] I'm going to try to keep that number in my brain for one day there's going to be a Jeopardy question and they're going to ask me and I'll say, I know. The other thing that's cool as a Philippines is we have different types of adobo. We have a red adobo, and then you have a yellow one that you can put turmeric in.

[00:34:20] And the red adobo is with fish sauce and annatto which makes adobong pula, which is a red adobo. And then you have adobong dalal, which is a yellow adobo, that's the one with turmeric. And then you can take, you can skip the turmeric and just have, Abudang putti, which is a white adobo. If you want to make adobo, make it.

[00:34:43] It sounds delicious. You can make it anyway. Try every single way. Try every single recipe, cause it'll be a good time. And figure out which one you and your family like the best. So yeah, that's Adobo. Now this is the part of the show where I plug myself. If you like this show, feel [00:35:00] free to give us a 5 star rating wherever you listen to it.

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[00:35:33] Just be nice, that's all I ask. Now, next, we're gonna talk our little tea time. So because Rochelle is the queen over here of psychic communication, we're gonna chit chat with her about the different ways we can communicate. We have a couple different ones of, we have some of the clairs here.

[00:35:50] Just so everybody knows. When people talk about the clairs, these are the different ways you can sense different things going around you, okay? There's a couple different ones. We got clairvoyance, which most [00:36:00] people have heard. This is seeing. Now, I don't know how you do it, Rochelle, but like, when I see something, I always say I see it with my mind's eye.

[00:36:11] You know what I mean? I don't see physical stuff. I guess people do, but I think my spirits know that I can't handle that. If I see real stuff, I'm running. I'm leaving. I gotta get out. But if I see it in my mind's eye, I'm like, this is safe. I can handle this. But I don't know if you see things or how you communicate, how you connect.

[00:36:30] Rochelle: Yeah, no, I definitely can see in my mind's eye, and also IRL, but just like you, it trips me out. So I think a week, like a week after the Energy Ball Spirit Guide incident, I, or maybe, I don't know, it was shortly after that, I started to pray to my God, to the spirit realm, for my deceased loved ones to appear to me.

[00:36:58] And I said you can appear to [00:37:00] me if I know you, right? But then it turned out at that time that was a little too much

[00:37:05] Ashley: for me.

[00:37:07] Rochelle: Because I remember there was one night I woke up in the middle of the night because I need to use the bathroom. I got up. I'm like walking into my little hallway.

[00:37:15] And I see a blue orb just floating towards me, like Ghastly, the Pokemon

[00:37:21] Ashley: Ghastly? Yes. Like

[00:37:22] Rochelle: that, except no face or nothing. It was just like a blue thing like floating towards me. And all of a sudden I just decided, I don't need to use the bathroom anymore.

[00:37:32] And I'm really tired. I'm gonna go back to bed. I've definitely seen things in the past like that but yeah, it's something that I want to work towards being more open to because I feel like that fear that I have, it's now that I know a little bit more about the spirit realm, it's something that I want to, that I feel would be really useful, for myself and my clients but yeah, there is that like subconscious, I don't know if it's like [00:38:00] lizard brain fear of Seeing things that are quote unquote not

[00:38:04] Ashley: supposed to be there, that really gets us, yeah.

[00:38:07] , 100%. Yeah. I think it's that fear of oh, I don't know. I, when I was a kid I was constantly, I was very afraid and I still am a little afraid of the dark. . And I think it's cuz in my mind's eye, I know something is there sometimes. And I'm like, ah, if I see it in real life, I'm gonna, I'm gonna fall on the ground.

[00:38:25] It'll just be it. I'll just die. I'm so like, I can't handle it. I'm I have seen things out of the corner of my eye, though, many times. That happens to me a lot. I'll just see a flash, or I'll see a face or something, but not often. But I think that's a really popular...

[00:38:41] Claire. People always say they're clairvoyant. They see, so then some people are clear ent, they hear some people are Clair sentient. They just feel, and I think these three are, oh, and then CLA Cognizant is also really popular. People just know, you just have that a knowing that something is happening or when [00:39:00] people are saying, oh, I just know this is going to happen, or I have a feeling, blah, blah, blah.

[00:39:04] Then you have Claire and Claire aliens. Which is like, smelling. And Clair gustience, which is tasting. And then you have Clair angience. I hope I'm saying that which is basically psychometry. So psychometry, for anybody who doesn't know, is And I didn't even know that this was psychometry. I was like, what is psychometry?

[00:39:31] I was Googling it, and okay, and then I know this is what it's called. It's the ability to, so this is the definition I have here. The ability to discover facts about an event or person by touching inanimate objects associated with them. So a lot of times, I've been in a couple psychic classes.

[00:39:48] This is something people teach a lot. Because it's like one of the I feel easier ways. to start to build that connection. When you have an item from a [00:40:00] person it's first of all, it's something tangible. I think it's easier when it's something tangible that you can touch and feel. And you can feel then the essence of the person who usually own that, which I think is, It makes life easier.

[00:40:12] One thing that I remember we did, years and years ago when I took this class, this was more than 10 years ago this like psychic class, we did this thing where it was like a sand reading. I've never done it since. It was very cool. The woman who was teaching us the class, she brought out this bowl of sand, and she would have the person who was going to be the reader, there was like 6 of us in this class, the person who was, and we didn't know each other, the person who was going to be the reader.

[00:40:39] would go in a different room and close the door. You weren't able to see who was doing it. Somebody else would come forward, put their hands in the sand and just feel the sand, move their hands all around it for like maybe 20 30 seconds. They'd go sit down and then they call the person out from the room and the person in the room had to go then in and feel the sand [00:41:00] and give a reading.

[00:41:01] And it was really cool, and it worked. Yeah, it was so cool. That was one of my, that's one of my favorite ways that I've learned how to read. Okay, divination is so vast. There's so many different ways. But I love... Some of the more abstract ways like not the guts thing. I don't know about that.

[00:41:26] Rochelle: It's not for everyone.

[00:41:28] Ashley: Yeah, it's not for me. And if you do that's your thing and I'm not dogging it, but like I'm not yucking your yum, but Are

[00:41:34] Rochelle: they saying yum to them? I

[00:41:38] Ashley: don't know. I don't know. I have No, it's fine. I don't know. We

[00:41:45] Rochelle: don't know.

[00:41:46] Ashley: If you do, that's great. That's your business. It's none of my business. But I really love the sand reading is cool.

[00:41:53] Some people do flowers. I really think you could almost use anything. Some people use flowers. [00:42:00] I use, we, I learned, like, when I was doing my shamanic training limpia, where they use an egg. I like that because it's cool to figure that out, but I've tried tea leaves. I can't, I don't get it.

[00:42:12] That's not for me, but tea leaves are really cool. Coffee grounds are cool. There's a million different ways to do divination, like a lot of people just like tarot. If you don't like tarot, you don't have to do tarot. If you don't like runes, that's fine. There's like a gazillion different ways you can find your own way.

[00:42:28] So now, I have a little article here that talks about like, how do you become psychic? And I just liked some of the different things they said. If you're on a path that you want to connect with your psychic senses, these might be a couple things you want to do. And Rochelle, feel free to interject whenever you want.

[00:42:46] One of the hard, and this list is actually a little shady, I don't love it but it brings up extra points that I was like, okay, I can understand. One of the things they say is like to, quote unquote, keep your mind out of it, but that's literally one of the hardest things to do. [00:43:00] Yes.

[00:43:00] Yeah. Yeah, when you're first learning, all you want to do is think of stuff. One thing you I always tell people to do, I am, I, okay, I will make an admission right now, I'm a shit at meditating. I don't meditate. I'm bad at it.

[00:43:16] Rochelle: It's just like with the guts, it's not for everyone. But also, just like with the guts divination, you don't need to meditate in order to be a good

[00:43:27] Ashley: channel.

[00:43:28] Exactly, you don't need to meditate. I, if I must meditate. I must do like guided medications that, because I need somebody to tell me what I'm supposed to be thinking about sometimes. Because I don't know. My mind will wander too much. But you're so right. You don't need to learn how to meditate.

[00:43:46] The one thing you do need to learn how to do is quiet your mind. And that can be really hard for a lot of people, is just trying to quiet your mind. If you don't like to meditate, And maybe you're trying to quiet your mind. [00:44:00] One thing you can do is try to get something and focus on one thing Like say you have an object I would say play with the object in your hand notice everything about that object just talk to yourself about that object Learn to focus on just one thing And then it will help you go forward when you want to do different things when it comes to your getting your psyche psychic senses together, Reading auras.

[00:44:26] A lot of people do like like you were talking about reading auras. That's a really popular one people start off with. Everything has, every living thing has basically an aura. So if you get good at that or that's something you like, I don't like reading auras because I don't, I never get it right.

[00:44:45] But I know a lot of people who are very good at it and it is. It's cool, like it's a very cool form of Psychicness that I really love. You can, like I said, practice psychometry. And in here, it's just communicate with your [00:45:00] spirit guides. And you might say, what the hell is that, and how the hell am I supposed to do that?

[00:45:03] Yeah, I know. But this is why you contact somebody like Rochelle, because she's going to help you figure that out. People... Okay. There's a couple things when it comes to your spirit guide that I think people need to understand. Number one, you just like people in your life and your family, your friends, you are allowed to set up boundaries with your spirit guide.

[00:45:22] Yes. And it's very important that you do, because if you don't want them to come to you in your. You can just say hey guys. Love you. You're the best. Please don't come to me while I'm sleeping This is and I don't want you guys in my bedroom. This is out of bounds You know come to me whenever but it's really that's one of the most important things to start establishing that Establishing a relationship with depth.

[00:45:48] Wait,

[00:45:49] Rochelle: sorry. Yes, I totally agree. And that's one of the first things that I learned how to do after that whole energy ball spirit guide incident. I was like, no more [00:46:00] bathroom stuff. It was too like, I've since then, I've gotten over the fear that like, I've learned from like horror movies, I like bad things happen to you when you're in the bathroom looking at yourself in the mirror.

[00:46:14] Yeah. But, when I first started out, that was a big boundary for me no bathroom, nothing in my bedroom, it has to be in like a common room, and it has I laid out this whole list of boundaries, and I think it's really important to Preserve your sanity, your energy, so you can be well rested and communicate on your terms, but also like it helps to give you confidence once you see that you can develop a relationship with your spirit guides, with the spirit realm, you.

[00:46:46] That respects your boundaries, and I think that psychologically helps people to get more comfortable with more interaction, different interaction with spirits, too.

[00:46:56] Ashley: Yes, absolutely, because all your loving [00:47:00] spirit guides, and the thing about all your spirit guides, they do care about you, and they love you, they They will always respect you Because you respect them and you care about them You want to have this good relationship just like any good partner any good family member would if you say Please don't come in my bedroom.

[00:47:16] They won't you just have to ask and then you say I love to see you guys in my kitchen They'll come talk to you a little tap you on the shoulder. Hey girl, we got a little message for you. We know you're cooking that adobo, but real quick.

[00:47:30] Yeah, be sure you are and also. People always, like, when you are not feeling good, like, when you're sad, when you're going through something, that is a good time to go to your spirit guides. You can go chit chat with them. Yeah, they don't only need to hear from you when you're in a good mood.

[00:47:49] When you're in a bad mood, go talk to them. They might have something to tell you, some good advice. something to get you through your moment or whatever's going on. A lot of people are like, yeah, I don't like to like, [00:48:00] when I go to my altar, I make sure I'm completely composed and I'm like completely this and I'm like, really girl?

[00:48:06] Cause I'd be a mess.

[00:48:08] Rochelle: That's me like one day a year for Four hours.

[00:48:16] That would be, it would be really hard to develop a relationship with these spirits. If you're just trying to come every time you're like only perfect or when your altar is like exactly how you want it. Yeah. I, yeah, our spirits know that we are huge messes cause we're human and that's. That's why they're here to help us, so I love that you brought

[00:48:43] Ashley: that up.

[00:48:44] Yes! Yes! Because I feel, I've heard it so many times when people are like, I must clear my altar and everything must be perfect. And I'm like, which is great because your spirits, they appreciate the respect. Of course. They're like, thank you for cleaning it up out here. But also the, [00:49:00] If you are in distress, they want to hear from you.

[00:49:02] They want to help you. They want to, advise you. They want to comfort you. Your ancestors, that's what they want. They love you. You're, it's like going to your, if anybody has that grandmother, grandfather feeling in their life or they've had it. That's what your, all your ancestors are literally your grand something, right?

[00:49:22] So they are trying to embrace you and love you. One of my earliest spirit guides is my grandmother, who I never met. But she has been with me at any time. I am, like, going through it. I just say Grandma, I just need you. And I feel it. She comes she she's doing it right now. She just comes and she gives me a little squeeze.

[00:49:44] And I'm like, Oh, how are you? And, cause she just wants to remind me I'm here. She comes in, she comes out when she knows she needs me. She's around. When she knows like, all right, she's doing right now. I can go chill and do whatever I want. She's up there doing her thing. So but that's [00:50:00] she's my intermediary up there.

[00:50:02] She's my spiritual bestie. So they want you. Yeah.

[00:50:07] Rochelle: I love how you talk about, I love how often you call on your grandma and you like, Not to say that it's like casual, but I think that. A lot of people who are on this spirit communication, spirit guide, getting to know their spirit guide's journey could benefit from is calling upon them for help more often, or even just like being in conversation with them more often.

[00:50:35] It's not like church where you have to wait like for the special time of the holiday in order to go and you don't have to wear fancy clothes. You don't need to like feel guilty or anything like that. It is really a grandmotherly, grandfatherly relationship. I love how you Described it that way

[00:50:57] Ashley: Because like for me one of my first and I always [00:51:00] like Actually, I don't think i've ever said this not on here at least but I remember one of my first times ever feeling like a spirit Or like God, I think I remember being like six, and sitting in the closet, crying.

[00:51:16] I don't know what I was upset about but I was really upset. And I just started calling out to God. I was like, God, please help me I'm so upset. And I like felt this inter and now I know the feeling, because this is what happens to me every time. I feel them around. I just got this warm feeling all over my body.

[00:51:37] And I felt better and like I was still upset, but I instantly felt better and in that moment I realized cuz like growing up Catholic too, they tell not my family But the church says if you do something you got to go tell a priest and this is how you communicate No, or you say specific prayers like the novena and different things but it's no sometimes you [00:52:00] can just call out to whatever it is that you believe in And they're there, they're everywhere, right?

[00:52:06] If we believe that the spirits are omnipresent, and omnipotent, and all this good stuff, then they are all around us. So when you call and say, my god, or whatever, you decide to say your particular spirit, your ancestor, whatever, they hear you. Anytime. Yeah. Anytime you need them, they hear you.

[00:52:28] Call out and reach out for them. And they're just waiting. You guys, they don't have time up there.

[00:52:34] Rochelle: Literally.

[00:52:36] Ashley: Literally. Time doesn't exist for them. They're just where they are forever. If you call out, it's not like they're too busy.

[00:52:46] Rochelle: What? Do they need to have a job?

[00:52:50] Ashley: No. They don't work They're like living their best dimensional lives and whatever they're [00:53:00] the spirits and I'm getting very woo for a second but like they are, there's a very good book.

[00:53:05] It's called The Afterlife of Billy Fingers. And in this book, this woman who was previously not really, I don't know if she was an atheist, but I don't think she was religious at all or spiritual at all. Her brother died and he starts communicating with her. And she thinks she's losing her mind at first she's this shit don't make sense.

[00:53:27] But as the book goes on, he starts explaining all these different things about who he is becoming and, like, how his soul is basically just a ball of light floating around. A thing that a lot of us have heard, right? Yes, it's very cool in the book. But when you read it, and I'm like, yeah, he becomes basically a part of the bigger universe.

[00:53:47] It's not It's so expansive that people die, then they become these spirits, and we will never even understand it. In conclusion, just call on them.[00:54:00]

[00:54:02] They're around. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they're floating, but they're around.

[00:54:13] Rochelle: It's so funny because yeah, sometimes trying to make sense of like how it works and by it I mean death and spirit, like how it all works energetically, I really do think that our brains are not equipped to understand it I don't know if you remember, but there was a woman on TikTok that was talking about two dimensional beings and three dimensional beings and how she's trying to she keep she keeps trying to explain what the fourth dimension would look like, but every time it's we can't adequately visualize it. Yeah, we don't know what the fourth event is. So I think it's like how it is with spirit.

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[00:55:00] Rochelle: understand evidentially, even scientifically, but there's also a lot that we probably will never be able To comprehend, but I think it's because we're too limited in this body.

[00:55:16] Ashley: Yes, that's what I always think. And when people, whatever your belief or not belief is fine.

[00:55:22] But like, when people are like you can't prove God, I'm like, yeah, we probably never will. It's fine if you don't want to believe it. I get that. It's real weird. It's totally fine if you don't believe in any of this. I totally understand. That, yeah, that's what faith is, and faith is in a lot of different forms.

[00:55:39] You just believe, because sometimes you do have an inner knowing, but I can't show you what I see. Rochelle can't show you what she sees, but we see it. You know what I mean? We, yeah, it's weird. Oh, God.

[00:55:58] We're going off the [00:56:00] rails. Sorry. I could go on and on about how there's no time and space. This is my favorite thing to talk about. I

[00:56:10] Rochelle: just, I just saw a video about how time in black holes slows down. Yeah? Wow. Yes.

[00:56:21] Ashley: I'll send it to you. Yeah, please do. Oh my god. See, this is what I'm talking about. So what does time even mean?

[00:56:27] If sometimes it's slow over here and sometimes here it's fast, what does that mean? It's crazy!

[00:56:42] Rochelle: I think the thing about working with spirit and working in these quote unquote unseen realms, it really does... Necessity, you having a philosopher's mind, because there's just, but yes, it can get to a point where it's wow, [00:57:00] so pretty much anything is possible and everything is an illusion.

[00:57:03] Ashley: Sometimes it just gets.

[00:57:05] Rochelle: Get to those parts, but then we just come back down to earth and it's okay, I'm just gonna prepare some offerings for my altar and try to figure out what I need to know for this week. I'm gonna be okay with that.

[00:57:27] Ashley: This is that, because it's the same thing like earlier, before we started talking, I'm outside pouring out liquor for my guides, does any, I hope nobody saw me, because they'll be like, what the hell is that woman doing, just a giant bottle of whiskey, and me just pouring and talking to myself. Why does it work?

[00:57:44] I don't know, but it does, I promise you. And that's what my guys told me to do. Everybody calm down. I don't know. Oh, God. This is amazing. Oh we could go [00:58:00] on about this forever. And we might, but actually we're going to go to our story of the week Because we need structure clearly Because clearly the two of us could just keep talking about anything for a very long time So I'm gonna try my best.

[00:58:19] All right, but this is very fun. It's not it's fun, but you'll see so this is our story so i'm your mother's people are the Ilocano. Am I saying that right? Yes. Ilocano, okay. So I started googling stuff and I was like let's, I want to learn about the Ilocano people. So I found, this is pretty fun, this is a story called \ Bing Ang Nye, Lam Ang.

[00:58:46] Or the English version, The Life of Lam Ang, okay? This is the first written Filipino folk epic and it comes from the Ilocano people. It's actually like an epic [00:59:00] poem, like Beowulf and I read the whole poem. It's not that long, you can read it, and I put a link in the show notes and it's actually It's like it gets serious.

[00:59:10] It's also very funny. Let's It's also like hilarious at times. I'm like what's going on in this story, but I really enjoyed reading it I gotta tell you. A lot of it has been so this is like a folk epic But you'll see they talk about baptism and stuff. So it's been christianized The first guy who wrote it down was somebody was a spanish colonial person so a lot of it has been christianized, but It's still a really good story.

[00:59:39] All right, so here we go. This is a story of lamb. Ang our boy. You're gonna love him. I do. . So it all starts there was this couple, they got married, they were super, super happy. So there was this woman and she obviously, she got pregnant later on cuz they started banging all the time and things were good. Everything was fine. The second verse of this poem [01:00:00] is literally just about how much food this lady was eating. And I'm like, rude. She was pregnant! It

[01:00:10] literally just labeled... All the fruits and vegetables that she couldn't stop eating. They're like, this lady was out of control. And I'm like, first of all, don't be rude to my girl. She's seven months pregnant. She's starving all the time. She's allowed to eat. Jeez. Let her eat. She's fine. So she was eating, and she was seven months pregnant now.

[01:00:33] And she's super happy. And her husband, Don Juan, he's super happy. Oh our lady here, her name is Namong Gan. Namangon. So Namangon, she is seven months. She's so excited. So she starts like nesting, like most women do. They need to get shit ready. So she's husband, I made a list.

[01:00:51] And he's did you? And she's I certainly did. She's first things first, I need you to get some bamboo. So there's this traditional bed. It's [01:01:00] called a balitang and it's like a traditional bed that was made out of Bamboo, it was slightly reclined for childbirth. So she's we need to make this thing now, because I am huge, this baby is coming.

[01:01:13] So I'm gonna need you to get some bamboo, fast, fast. So he said, no problem, let me go. So he goes up to the mountain, he gets the bamboo. Then he literally starts talking, I think he has some magic too. There's a lot of random magic in this story. Yeah, I

[01:01:27] Rochelle: told you it's part of our culture.

[01:01:29] Ashley: It's random.

[01:01:30] I was reading the poem, I was like, what? And so all of a sudden, he cuts down the bamboo, and he looks at it, and he's damn, this is a lot of bamboo. He's bamboo, you know what you could do to help me out? Just start rolling down the hill yourself. So the bamboo just starts following him. That's good.

[01:01:47] That's convenient. That's super convenient, right? So he gets home, he puts all the bamboo in the front yard, and he's Now that I'm gone, I got the bamboo. And she's Fantastic, I'm so excited. Next on the list. [01:02:00] I need you to go to the mountain. You need to get some firewood and you need to get a jar Because we need to put the placenta in a jar and then you're gonna need some herbs cuz I got to take this herbal bath to get myself ready and probably, to cleanse her probably afterwards And he's no problem.

[01:02:15] I got you. You're my wife. I love you so much So he's like I'm going up the mountain now. Here's the problem the people that where he comes from I guess they didn't get along with some of the people who lived up the mountain. These are the Igarot people. They're a different ethnic group.

[01:02:34] And apparently, they didn't get along. So he's oh shit, I'm gonna go up the mountain, and they're there, and Oh, it might get a little hairy. But, Namagong's just go, take your stuff. He gets his weapons and stuff, and he goes up the mountain. He goes up the mountain, and now it's been like weeks.

[01:02:53] We can't find Duan Yuan. We don't know where he is. So Naman Gan is getting a little nervous. And then [01:03:00] one night, one night she's okay. Oh boy. Here we go. I'm having labor pain. She's about to have the baby. No good. She's panicking. She's calling. So I think they had some money because she had a driver and all this kind of stuff.

[01:03:11] She calls the driver and the driver's I don't know what to do. And she calls somebody else and he's I don't know what to do. So they go, so the driver, being smart, he goes and finds like an old lady. He's ma'am, Ma'am, please! So she comes to Namongon's house and she's like girl, let me help you because these men out here are acting wild So Namongon has the baby right here's the thing when the baby came out first thing he did was speak what you're a baby He said so the baby said and I quote he said I mother Namongon when you If you have had me baptized, please name me Lam Eng, and have as my godfather, the old Gibeon.

[01:03:51] I think Gibeon was actually the driver. She said that should be my godfather okay, fine. So then, time goes by, [01:04:00] a little couple months, sorry about that, couple months go by. They get Lam Aang baptized, and then Lam Aang, because he can talk he's Mom, I gotta ask you, where's my dad?

[01:04:13] Where's my papa? And she's, he's am I a bastard? What's going on? Is my birth honorable? And she's sir, your birth is very honorable. You have a father. He went to the forest in the Igarok country, and he never came back. And Lamb Ang's Oh, okay. In that case, I know I'm only nine months old, but I'm going to go find him.

[01:04:33] And Snuggy the God is Please don't! You're creepy! Click! She's like, Where are you going? And he's I gotta go find my papa and she's like you absolutely cannot do that. You are nine months old. You can't go into the woods But he was like I have to So he was insistent at nine months old that he go into the forest.

[01:04:55] So he brought a sack with these Magical crystals that he had in it [01:05:00] for crystals. He also had a magic pot So anytime he needed food, he literally just poured water on the pot and had food, which is I wish I had that So it's basically a magic in support that he had and this is great He's doing great. So now he goes into the forest, okay, because he's gotta go find his dad.

[01:05:19] And he falls asleep with his sword and his shield, and he has a dream that night in the forest. He hears his voice telling him to hurry up because the Igorots are feasting on his dad. So he's oh shit. So he gets up and he starts walking. He's walking, he's going. So he gets to the town of the Igorots and he sees Trigger warning decapitation.

[01:05:40] He sees his dad's head on a stake. Fuck. This is not good So he's standing in the town and he said pardon. What's going on here? Why is my dad's head on a stake? And the chief came out. He said bro, you better calm down and you better quiet down right now Let me tell you something if you don't want trouble you better get out [01:06:00] of here And Liam Ang said, who are you speaking to, me?

[01:06:03] I know you're not talking to me right now, because I'm about to mess you all up. So he tells the chief, he said, go call all your people. And when I say all your people, I don't just mean the men from this town, all your people. Call them all. So they send out a, like a, they send out a tweet. And there's like everybody, all the igorots from the neighboring towns, they said they, they have angles to fight us all.

[01:06:26] They're all probably giggling because they're like, this man's going to fight 300 people. This is crazy. Isn't

[01:06:32] Rochelle: he still a baby at this point?

[01:06:35] Ashley: He's nine months old! He's a baby. So the chief tweeted a meme like can you believe this baby said he's gonna fight us everybody come out So lamb Ang's okay, he sees everybody staying around and they all stand around him they all got their swords and spheres and shields and lamb Ang's like He's like Morpheus.

[01:06:59] He's [01:07:00] come bring it on. And he says literally to the Igorots, he said, now this is your end. So he goes and he starts slicing bitches, slicing them. To the point where he kills everybody. Okay. Except for the chief. Now he looks at the chief and he said, just so that you will never forget me, I'm not going to kill you.

[01:07:22] He takes out all his teeth and he takes out his eyes and cuts off his ears and his hands. He's this is so nobody forgets that you guys aren't gonna mess with me again. Okay, so now he goes home because that's crazy. He's avenged his father's death, so now it's time for him to go and be a baby. He did

[01:07:43] Rochelle: more than that.

[01:07:44] He did a lot

[01:07:47] Ashley: there. He did a lot. He was trying to prove a point. Yeah, he went home. Now, I know Lamang, you're doing a lot right now, but okay. So he [01:08:00] went home. And now this is, now I think this is a couple years later. He's no longer a baby, okay? He's a little older now. So him and his friends decided to fight a crocodile.

[01:08:11] I don't know why. And they collect all the crocodile's teeth, and he puts it on a string, and he uses it as a talisman. That's fine. So then he goes home, and he's Mom, I got this crocodile tooth necklace. I feel really good about it. Also, I'm going to need you to pack all my best clothes. And his mom's for what?

[01:08:29] And she's I need to go to Kal Kalinutian. Kalinutian. I think that's the name of the town. I'm probably not pronouncing it right. But he's I need to go to Kalinutian because there's this woman there. Her name's Dawn. Donna Ines. And I really need to try to get her to be my girl. And she is no.

[01:08:49] I was like, you're not. You're not doing that. And he's no, I really gotta do it. She's he doesn't, she doesn't want to be with a common dude. Okay? She doesn't want to be with a regular ass dude. [01:09:00] And she, literally in the poem at one point, it says, the mom says to him, she might throw urine on you.

[01:09:07] Don't go. And you will be embarrassed. You, yeah, it's like your mom knows, right? And one thing that they say, and you can see the colonialism in this a lot of the time because they talk about Donna and Ness saying like she won't even marry the Spaniards, why would she marry you? They say that a lot in the poem.

[01:09:28] Really? Yeah, so it's like you see the colonialism here. But. Anyway, Lam Ang is not somebody to be told what to do, as we could see so he said, I'm going. He now packs up his, he has a white rooster, who's magical, and he has a dog, who's also magical, so he has to take them with him. So he's on the road again.

[01:09:49] He's traveling despite his mom not wanting to go. So now he's on the road, he meets this guy named Sumerang. Which is another rude thing they say [01:10:00] about Sumerang. They say, Sumerang, whose eyes were as big as plates and whose nose was as wide as two feet. Rude,

[01:10:07] Rochelle: the colonialism

[01:10:10] Ashley: again. I said, damn, that's so rude.

[01:10:14] If the story was that subang was ugly, just say that they thought Subang was ugly. But don't be rude like that. Don okay, and by the way, Lam Ang is supposed to be really hot. He probably was, because you'll see. Anyway. I'm kidding. Super Ang so Super Ang sees Lam Ang, and he's and he's everyone's heard of Lam Ang at this point.

[01:10:35] He's Lam Ang, where you going? And Lam Ang's oh, I'm going to try to court Donna and Ness. And he's bro, I just came from there. Let me tell you something. This is fruitless. Don't go there. This is a bad idea for you. And Lam Ang's to be honest, I am going. I don't really care what you say.

[01:10:54] And also I'm in a rush. I've got to go. I got to get there quick. And then Sumerang's no, you don't. And he starts to [01:11:00] attack Lam Ang. He's, Lam Ang though is really strong. He catches the spear that Sumerang tries to stab him with between his thumb and his forefinger. In there, and then he pushes Sumerian back, and he twists it, and he gives Sumerian a good spin, and he knocks him on the ground, and he tells him to get out of here, don't mess with me anymore, and Sumerian runs away.

[01:11:26] So we're done with that guy. So now he keeps walking, and he meets this other lady on the road, and this lady tries to seduce him. She's Lam Aang, I've heard so much about you. Wink. And he's listen, lady. I don't have time for this. I'm trying to go get Wait, how old is he at this point again?

[01:11:47] No longer a baby. I don't think he's a baby anymore. Thank God.

[01:11:51] Rochelle: But not a kid? No,

[01:11:54] Ashley: I think he's we're gonna just say for safety reasons that he's in his 20s at this point. Okay, he's a [01:12:00] man now. He's a man. Yeah, so this lady. This random woman is throwing herself at Lam Aang, and he's ma'am, please. I don't have time for this either.

[01:12:08] So he just dismisses her and he keeps going. Now he gets to the town of Kalatunian, and they're like, there's a line out the door of men trying to court Don Ines. So he's damn, this is crazy. What am I gonna do? So then he lets his rooster, the rooster I know what we're gonna do. The rooster flies on top of an outhouse and the outhouse collapses.

[01:12:33] So then, everybody looks over, including Dania and Ness, out her window, and her mom's That's Lam

[01:12:42] A! The mom is oh! Oh my god, go get the guards to bring him up! That's he's a hero! And Duggan and Nessa's who's that? She's Lam A, I just told you! You gotta go get him! You gotta go get him! He's a hero, and he's a cutie patootie! We need to get him up here, to see [01:13:00] if we like him! like him!

[01:13:03] The mom is so excited. They invite in Lan Eng and they just have a big feast. They eat in the evening. They have a whole three verses about how much they're eating. Again. But this time it's not shady. It's just sounds really delicious. They have lunch with her parents, he's like talking, Oh, my name's Lan Eng. One time I was a baby and I killed 300 people. And they're like, Oh my God, that's so great. So now. Their parents are like, okay, what can you bring us if you want to court our daughter? Like we're cool You seem nice, but you got to bring something to the table.

[01:13:35] Like what do you got? And he's oh, what do I have? I have two gold boats What he's like I have two boats made of gold and they're like Oh, no you don't. He's watch this. I have gold. Oh, and he also has a friend from China who has a bunch of porcelain. So he's got gold boats, a magic rooster, a magic dog, [01:14:00] and mad porcelain.

[01:14:01] Rich. Rich, bitch. So her parents are impressed. They like Lam Ang. They think he's cool. They're like, okay, bring back all your stuff and your people and you can marry my daughter. Great. So he goes home and he tells his mom, he's Mom, sound the gong, because that's literally what it says. He said, sound the gong, because we need all the townspeople out here right now.

[01:14:21] So all the townspeople come and they're like, what's going on? And Lam Ang's hear ye. You're all invited to my wedding, but you've got to bring shit. He's as I've told you, I have two gold boats, transportation's not an issue here but we are gonna need some food, and we're gonna need some other stuff.

[01:14:37] So everybody in the town is pumped, cause they love Lam Ang, and they love a party. So they're like, let's do it! The next day, he loads up the town, he loads up all their vegetables, and fruits, and meats, onto his two golden boats, and he sails to the town of Donaness. Now they get there. Everyone is so excited.

[01:14:57] They're like, oh shit. They've never seen a golden boat [01:15:00] This is so exciting, right? So everyone's oh, this is gonna be great. The whole town. Now, we have two towns in attendance for this wedding. It's the best party anybody's ever seen. Everyone's partying. Now, another hilarious part of this poem. After the mass of the wedding and after the reception, now Donna and Ness and Lam Ang may have some time alone.

[01:15:22] So Donna and Ness says to Lam Ang, let me see you walk. Literally, this is what it says on the poem. Nessa. I wanna see how you walk to see if I like it. And if I don't like how you walk, I'm turning you to your mouth. This poem is so funny sometimes. And so he sees, so she sees the way he walks and she said, I don't like the way you walk.

[01:15:49] Your pants are low, you're bow-legged, and you fill up the of the path. Your buttocks is prominent and your hair could be put in a bun. That's literally what it [01:16:00] says in the poem. So rude, right? And then he said, My love, this is how people walk in my town. This is how rich people walk. And he said, and by the way, let me see how you walk because maybe I won't like the way you walk.

[01:16:15] And she's fine, you're gonna see how I walk. So she walks in front of him and he said, Damn, your walk is worse than mine. Wow. They're just like making fun of each other. He said, I don't like the way you sway your hips. You look crazy. You just look wild. But then they both just laughed it off and they're like, Ah, we love each other.

[01:16:38] This is great. Who else but them we have. So whatever. So then the next day Donna and Ness goes back to Lam Ang's town to live. Lam Ang has already built them a beautiful house. They're so so happy. So now some time's gone by, right? Now, Lam Ang, he's supposed to dive [01:17:00] for a giant seashell.

[01:17:01] I don't know why, but this is part, maybe it's like a ritual thing that he's supposed to do. Actually, the chief of Donna and Ness town came and told him Oh, you've gotta go do this as part of whatever. So he's okay, no problem. But he has this premonition like the night before that he's going to get eaten by a shark And when he gets eaten by this shark that the stairs in the house will dance The kitchen roof will fall and the stove will break into pieces.

[01:17:27] So the next day Donna and Nessa He tells Donna and us, I had this crazy dream and she's then don't go. He was like, yeah, he's she's no, I got to go. Like probably, whatever this ritual is, it's probably a respect thing. So he's probably no, I have to do this, so he gets down, goes diving.

[01:17:45] He sees the shell. He keeps going. He sees the shell. He's swimming. All of a sudden a shark swallows. Our man Lang Ang. Meanwhile, at home, the stairs started shaking, the roof fell in, and the stove broke. So now Donna and [01:18:00] Ness is hysterical, because she's like, Oh my god, my husband's dead, this is so terrible, she's so sad.

[01:18:05] So Donna and Ness doesn't know what to do, okay? But, don't forget, they've got a magical rooster. So Donna and Ness is Don't forget about the magical rooster and the rooster and this dog. And the rooster... Who talks by the way. The rooster was like, oh, I know what to do We've just got to get all his bones and we can put him back together.

[01:18:30] So they go find this guy Marcos. Marcos is the best diver in town. They say Marcos. We need you to go Find Lam Ang's bones like every single one because then he'll come back to life and Marcos is like, okay, so He goes down there he swims it takes him like a few days I think but he gets all the bones They arrange them on the seashore and the rooster Is like, Doodle do!

[01:18:56] And Lam Ang comes back to life, and meanwhile he's Damn, I must've slept real long, [01:19:00] cuz I don't remember any of that! And his wife is like, Yeah, you were dead, it was terrible. He's Oh my God, it's fine! And then, they lived happily ever after. And that's it. Wow. Yes! What? What is

[01:19:19] Rochelle: the moral of this story?

[01:19:25] Ashley: There's no moral. This is what I love about this poem. I have never read such First of all, I was reading it and I was like, Oh my god, what happened? I was even shocked and Oh my god, Blame Egg, are you okay? I love how this poem, and this happens in a lot of, I feel like, This happens also in a lot of stories in different places.

[01:19:44] I feel like we are very used to like fairy tales from Europe where they have a moral or a purpose. But I feel like in other parts of the world, we just tell stories to tell stories. And they're like, this is a very entertaining story that we are going to tell. And they did. And it doesn't [01:20:00] have a moral.

[01:20:00] Absolutely not. Ang killed like 300 people, and he made fun of his wife, and then his wife made fun of him, then he died by accident, and then he got his bones back together, and he was fine, and he had a magic rooster. What does it have to do with anything? Literally nothing. It's just a good story.

[01:20:18] Rochelle: I, yeah. There were more twists. than M. Night Shyamalan could ever create.

[01:20:26] Ashley: M. Night Shyamalan could never. Because if you ever want a story with twists, you're gonna go to the Illacata people in the Philippines. We've got a good story for ya.

[01:20:42] I was like, this may be one of my favorite

[01:20:45] Rochelle: fairy tales ever. Oh my

[01:20:47] Ashley: god. Oh. Oh god, that was so good. Okay. Whew. Alright. Guys, that's the story of Lam Aang. Again, I put in the show notes so you can read the actual poem. [01:21:00] It's not that long It'll take you less than 10 minutes to read this poem. But that was fun Oh god, I love it.

[01:21:07] And And this comes this brings us to the end of the show This has been so much fun. Rochelle, thank you so much for just hanging out and chilling and talking about how time and space aren't real. This has been so fun. Where can people find you, or where do you want to be found? As they say on Scam Goddess, one of my other favorite podcasts.

[01:21:27] Rochelle: Yeah, so I hang out mostly on Instagram at brown. bruja, that's B R U H A, also on TikTok at brownbruja, and on my website brownbruja. com. Come over and hang out. We'll talk about all things spirit communication. We'll keep the esoteric metaphysical conversation going.

[01:21:51] Ashley: Plus we love it. Yay! So everybody, all those links will be in the show notes so you can find Rochelle and you can follow her and you can see all the cool [01:22:00] stuff she does.

[01:22:00] If you want to be part of her community you can do that too. She has just a lot going on so it's very exciting. So everybody, thank you so much for listening. Again, this is Dine with the Divine. You can find us on Instagram, on Facebook. If you really enjoy the show, please feel free to give us a five star rating.

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[01:22:55] Rochelle: Bye [01:23:00]